Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!news.albasani.net!news.mixmin.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.044 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.91; '*S*': 0.00; 'abuse': 0.07; 'assume': 0.14; 'drafted': 0.16; 'from:addr:timgolden.me.uk': 0.16; 'from:name:tim golden': 0.16; 'fwiw': 0.16; 'measures': 0.16; 'message-id:@timgolden.me.uk': 0.16; 'received:74.55.86': 0.16; 'received:74.55.86.74': 0.16; 'received:smtp.webfaction.com': 0.16; 'received:webfaction.com': 0.16; 'subject:Self': 0.16; 'tjg': 0.16; 'tragic': 0.16; 'zero.': 0.16; 'discussions': 0.16; 'prevent': 0.16; 'appropriate': 0.16; 'ignore': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'obviously': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'appears': 0.22; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'earlier': 0.24; 'looks': 0.24; 'post': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'asked': 0.31; 'posting': 0.31; 'requests': 0.31; 'apparently': 0.31; 'existence': 0.31; 'python.org': 0.32; 'option': 0.32; 'another': 0.32; "i'd": 0.34; 'case,': 0.35; 'usual': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; "he's": 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'thanks': 0.36; 'list': 0.37; 'list.': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'actions': 0.38; 'bringing': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'mailing': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'up,': 0.60; 'today.': 0.61; 'simply': 0.61; 'times': 0.62; 'address': 0.63; 'act': 0.63; 'personal': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'taking': 0.65; 'temporary': 0.65; 'note:': 0.66; 'direct': 0.67; "today's": 0.70; 'from:addr:mail': 0.83; 'conscious': 0.84; 'taken.': 0.84; 'hand,': 0.93 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:21:11 +0000 From: Tim Golden User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Self-defence References: <20131117170944.GB14727@piedra> In-Reply-To: <20131117170944.GB14727@piedra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1384708853 news.xs4all.nl 15895 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53614 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:59768 On 17/11/2013 17:09, Zero Piraeus wrote: > Note: I drafted a version of this post earlier today. I had been waiting > to see whether Nikos succeeded in baiting the list into yet another > round of unpleasantness before sending it, because I didn't want to > worsen the situation, but at this point things are completely out of > hand, and even what looks like a consensus attempt to ignore Nikos out > of existence is > > a) failing: I count eighteen emails so far today. > > b) going to lead casual visitors to assume either that we ignore > requests for help or that the list is Nikos' personal echo chamber. > > At this point I consider Nikos' actions a conscious attack on the list. > There is simply no way, after the many times he's been told not to > repost, that this is anything other than a direct and deliberate attempt > to annoy as many people as he can. > > That being the case, I'd like to know whether there are technical > measures that can be taken to prevent him from posting here. Thanks for bringing this up, Zero. Nikos appears to be posting through Usenet, apparently via eternal-september. I have emailed their abuse address to ask if any action can be taken. I have also asked the postmaster at python.org what our option are the mail-news gateway. Obviously this isn't just about one poster: we need a means to (trying to think of a better word than "police") the mailing list while allowing for the usual give and take of off-topicness, temporary argumentation and general banter. I and others are trying to bring to a focus off-list discussions about who has the appropriate responsibility and right to act in these cases. FWIW today's outpouring has been more comical than tragic with few people taking the bait :) TJG