Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!newsfeed.kamp.net!newsfeed.kamp.net!87.79.20.101.MISMATCH!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.009 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'sufficient': 0.05; 'practice,': 0.07; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'replied': 0.09; '"but': 0.16; 'argument,': 0.16; 'caring': 0.16; 'from:addr:pitrou.net': 0.16; 'from:addr:solipsis': 0.16; 'from:name:antoine pitrou': 0.16; 'message-id:@post.gmane.org': 0.16; 'other,': 0.16; 'posters': 0.16; 'public,': 0.16; 'received:213.41.240': 0.16; 'received:213.41.240.54': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:charlus.yi.org': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:yi.org': 0.16; 'situation.': 0.16; 'subject:Self': 0.16; 'troll': 0.16; ':-)': 0.16; '(not': 0.18; 'discussion': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'own.': 0.24; 'possibly': 0.26; 'posts': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; "i'm": 0.30; 'writes:': 0.31; 'this.': 0.32; 'open': 0.33; 'community': 0.33; 'reader': 0.33; "i'd": 0.34; 'agree': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; "he's": 0.36; 'replies': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'desirable': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'volume': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'space': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'easy': 0.60; 'free': 0.61; 'reaching': 0.61; 'high': 0.63; 'him,': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'holding': 0.65; 'believe': 0.68; 'helping': 0.70; 'antoine.': 0.84; 'banned': 0.84; 'harmful': 0.84; 'hassle': 0.84; 'impede': 0.84; 'posters,': 0.84; 'ban': 0.91; 'hopes': 0.91; 'thing,': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Antoine Pitrou Subject: Re: Self-defence Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:20:15 +0000 (UTC) References: <20131117170944.GB14727@piedra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 213.41.240.54 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:25.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/25.0) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1384708841 news.xs4all.nl 15882 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53248 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:59767 Zero Piraeus etiol.net> writes: > > I don't believe that killfiles are a sufficient response in this > situation. > > I can, of course, stop Nikos' posts reaching me, and without too much > hassle also stop replies to his posts reaching me. He would, however, > continue to pollute the list in public, and his posts, whether replied > to or not at the volume he's now sending them, would continue to damage > the reputation of the list and, ultimately, I think possibly kill it. As an occasional reader (and even more occasional poster), I agree with this. As far as I'm concerned, if I were the list owner and if it were easy to ban him, I would already have banned him for a long time. I believe it is not desirable to let poisonous posters do their thing, even if "they might improve". The time spent trying to improve a troll is time not spent caring about and helping other, more benevolent posters, which makes it really harmful to the community (not only pointless) trying to improve a troll. As for the "but banning him would impede free expression" argument, I'd say that people who want a "perfectly free" discussion space can always open their own. We'll see how well it fares in practice, but I'm not holding my hopes very high :-) Regards Antoine.