Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.024 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; 'sufficient': 0.05; '(b)': 0.07; 'abuse': 0.07; 'utf-8': 0.07; 'complicate': 0.09; 'latter': 0.09; 'replied': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'assume': 0.14; 'attempted': 0.16; 'bypassed': 0.16; 'drafted': 0.16; 'fancy': 0.16; 'headers,': 0.16; 'measures': 0.16; 'public,': 0.16; 'situation.': 0.16; 'subject:Self': 0.16; 'index': 0.16; 'prevent': 0.16; 'ignore': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'server,': 0.19; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; '(a)': 0.24; 'gateway': 0.24; 'earlier': 0.24; 'looks': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'possibly': 0.26; 'posts': 0.26; 'post': 0.26; 'least': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'tried': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'chris': 0.29; '(c)': 0.29; 'reporting': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'posting': 0.31; 'requests': 0.31; '(my': 0.31; 'existence': 0.31; 'another': 0.32; 'sense': 0.34; "i'd": 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'case,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; "he's": 0.36; 'replies': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'list.': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'actions': 0.38; 'nov': 0.38; 'issue': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'volume': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'reaching': 0.61; 'today.': 0.61; 'from:charset:utf-8': 0.61; 'simply': 0.61; 'times': 0.62; 'url:index': 0.63; 'personal': 0.63; 'skip:\xe2 10': 0.65; 'note:': 0.66; 'direct': 0.67; 'believe': 0.68; '8bit%:43': 0.74; 'conscious': 0.84; 'excessive': 0.84; 'hassle': 0.84; 'skill.': 0.84; 'url:php': 0.85; 'equipped': 0.91; 'hand,': 0.93; 'url:tk': 0.95; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sRkBnDhJcyjHEIDUhPSTeJNfPkFWyVC5L4oSX3g8/gc=; b=bhVbL4VcUQ2gxhlKzBeHbg7bt8C+xBKAEqwheyEL4yQ6rlKm/dkP/LO0fcStZgwkdv PjZGycEtBy26P9qAGXYrLy2BneK9+yVfhb3PeNYqR38ZU5vB5cKVKvsCSe43ApyUFk4t ausAiALeA3TD6l97qLbMweS5sA3ejtKpODxH3uBUp3tAgS9ZLbBjA+yLG6Cqoqm/O1q/ DzRxsNO7W++KPN+lhcQUt8ZC1+E/ZAezzStpzyLTmhHhEapn0JmUNKlKo6hS4ZjxqNzu o6HE7cWCAx4VaY6TdcOPF/43uY7pUTakfx2AToAPmJvL0m9aG2ZMPJsEzOVGsBNqv/W6 2qVA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.61.35 with SMTP id m3mr10529892igr.56.1384708619088; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 09:16:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20131117170944.GB14727@piedra> References: <20131117170944.GB14727@piedra> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 18:16:59 +0100 Subject: Re: Self-defence From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2hyaXMg4oCcS3dwb2xza2HigJ0gV2Fycmljaw==?= To: Zero Piraeus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1384708622 news.xs4all.nl 15985 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:59765 On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Zero Piraeus wrote: > : > > Note: I drafted a version of this post earlier today. I had been waiting > to see whether Nikos succeeded in baiting the list into yet another > round of unpleasantness before sending it, because I didn't want to > worsen the situation, but at this point things are completely out of > hand, and even what looks like a consensus attempt to ignore Nikos out > of existence is > > a) failing: I count eighteen emails so far today. > > b) going to lead casual visitors to assume either that we ignore > requests for help or that the list is Nikos' personal echo chamber. > > At this point I consider Nikos' actions a conscious attack on the list. > There is simply no way, after the many times he's been told not to > repost, that this is anything other than a direct and deliberate attempt > to annoy as many people as he can. > > That being the case, I'd like to know whether there are technical > measures that can be taken to prevent him from posting here. > > I understand that the mail/news gateway might complicate that, and that > any measures taken could be bypassed by someone with sufficient skill. I > suspect that in this particular case the latter issue is less relevant > than it might otherwise be. > > I don't believe that killfiles are a sufficient response in this > situation. > > I can, of course, stop Nikos' posts reaching me, and without too much > hassle also stop replies to his posts reaching me. He would, however, > continue to pollute the list in public, and his posts, whether replied > to or not at the volume he's now sending them, would continue to damage > the reputation of the list and, ultimately, I think possibly kill it. We could report abuse to his server, eternal-september.org[0]. I tried to do this, but they wanted fancy usenetty headers, and I am not equipped to get them. Now, we can try reporting for (a) abusive trolling; (b) excessive morphing for killfile evasion (my original attempted report); (c) spam (if I understand the Breidbart Index correctly, we might have to wait for this, at least two emails to be precise) [0]: http://www.eternal-september.org/index.php?showpage=3Dabuse --=20 Chris =E2=80=9CKwpolska=E2=80=9D Warrick PGP: 5EAAEA16 stop html mail | always bottom-post | only UTF-8 makes sense