Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.016 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'things.': 0.05; 'python': 0.09; 'sure,': 0.09; ':-)': 0.13; '...]': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'oct': 0.16; 'pythonic': 0.16; 'write.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'thu,': 0.17; '>>>': 0.18; 'code.': 0.20; 'made.': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.25; 'values': 0.26; 'am,': 0.27; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'chris': 0.28; "i'm": 0.29; 'code': 0.31; 'point': 0.31; 'generally': 0.32; 'getting': 0.33; 'zero': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'especially': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'method': 0.36; 'bad': 0.37; 'october': 0.37; 'does': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'object': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'easy': 0.60; 'matter': 0.61; 'side': 0.61; 'worth': 0.63; 'yourself': 0.77; 'bitten': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=//PVfZGSnGenPMY/UsUwwAWjiW0OXUvXEFyQYchJoTs=; b=0PtHYhN4INBnd4zZYVAbnh4gr4S+R4Y8x4zDaQh1clssf+PUs9QvtZhwZRgZ+QLc4v co9yvIfjx1sHqoozk3sGqEw39Mj10nkk89VvOWZzMxQhCAd27uhZggw1w+fD1BeLjqiT NdO3+yGHh2PVXHp1jbOUsrOnCe92u4T5nJuEETFoCbZmqmA9mtdBi+5BEqahlze4q3vq k3hUC0R6JfxWsvglVJFOpeyrzBFc/4FMe4eMjF4P1S//OJ5fR1VW/bsKIXzfdOSLjMOS fmEGbihbUtb23lglwLDqulla5thWUFTtPb6cZFtuu6IwY4ie/IoBV4Xx2LTeFYqhIWAi OzhQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <5087E540.8060504@davea.name> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 03:29:04 +1100 Subject: Re: classes From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1351096146 news.xs4all.nl 6903 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:40784 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:32056 On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 3:10 AM, Zero Piraeus wrote: > On 24 October 2012 11:18, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 2:14 AM, Zero Piraeus wrote: >>> [... on return values and side effects ...] >> >> Side point: It's not that it's *bad* code or even bad style; > > It's a matter of taste, sure, but especially for a beginner, it's easy > to find yourself using a method for its return value and forgetting > that it actually does something to the object as well ... and then > getting bitten later. > >> it just isn't the way Python generally does things. > > When in Rome ... :-) Of course, and I'm not disagreeing with the original point made. It's worth writing Pythonic code when writing Python code. It's just not the only way to write. ChrisA