Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.009 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:not': 0.03; 'wiki': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'definitions': 0.07; 'subject:Why': 0.09; 'subset': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'language,': 0.12; '80s': 0.16; 'opposite': 0.16; 'sources,': 0.16; 'subject:)?': 0.16; 'terribly': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'programming': 0.22; 'previously': 0.22; 'java': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.30; 'said,': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'url:wiki': 0.31; 'url:wikipedia': 0.31; 'languages': 0.32; 'problem': 0.35; 'subject: (': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'common': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'useful': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'received:209': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'subject:? ': 0.60; 'such': 0.63; 'today': 0.64; 'skip:n 10': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'as:': 0.81; 'domain,': 0.84; 'subject:you': 0.87; 'carlos': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=WjPo80S2hDxq0abw/dhin2NE3ArB5jJQ1Yht7oby8ow=; b=S8gpIQi+fpC32xGdNdHAuqRl1uXQiVRUAs2zx+kE/NzQbY1L86bRuIrhFpPSAUmQ+3 z9eGfIaVVRhfUp8Iv6Ms2IBis5745yiMGSmPyvajlhQfHZXVJqRFVA8Y98QudivfA/E6 PvJWikYpnYw9n+nuqrLQtBvXzqSs1mH0YkGSEVTU1hhL2VaYdazOrwje1rxfsYjIX+Lc mwjC0gXsES4LdLst/4aswC0UCxGB57055gyM4631NSu3B9/E+eFOlXlcBlCZH9SGypED FIqx0aILedi0aSZ5AS5zcCeX4xByEH9I2ZCwymJ06PEkbX8jDrz6uxJeERyY9IAaO0U6 LnBQ== X-Received: by 10.68.218.8 with SMTP id pc8mr36071162pbc.115.1370488599452; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 20:16:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20130604191422.105eacd8@bigbox.christie.dr> From: Ian Kelly Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 21:15:59 -0600 Subject: Re: Do you consider Python a 4GL? Why (not)? To: Python Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1370488602 news.xs4all.nl 15886 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55634 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:47180 On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Carlos Nepomuceno wrote: > I don't have an opinion yet, but I've found contradictory evidence from many > sources, such as: > > "A domain-specific language (DSL) is a type of programming language or > specification language in software development and domain engineering > dedicated to a particular problem domain, > [...] > The opposite is: > > a general-purpose programming language, such as C, Java or Python," > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain-specific_programming_language > > Since, 4GL is considered a subset of DSLs, this wiki page doesn't consider > Python a 4GL. > > Is is true? Why??? I wasn't previously familiar with the 3GL / 4GL nomenclature, but based upon the definitions given at Wikipedia, Python is clearly a 3GL. That said, virtually all general-purpose languages in common usage today would be 3GLs, so the distinction does not seem terribly useful to me. The terms "4GL" and "5GL" while suggesting a language that is somehow more "advanced" than a 3GL, seem to be mainly 80s hype.