Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!xlned.com!feeder7.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.078 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.84; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'beginner': 0.05; 'root': 0.05; 'craft': 0.09; 'framework.': 0.09; 'subject:script': 0.09; 'works.': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'changes': 0.15; 'behave': 0.16; 'competent': 0.16; 'say.': 0.16; 'subject:Apache': 0.16; 'subject:issue': 0.16; 'subject:run': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'code.': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'basically': 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; 'help.': 0.21; 'email addr:gmail.com>': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'unicode': 0.24; 'software.': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; '>': 0.26; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'tried': 0.27; 'hosting': 0.29; 'chris': 0.29; 'leave': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'topic': 0.29; 'said,': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'along': 0.30; 'url:mailman': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'that.': 0.31; 'apparently': 0.31; 'seemingly': 0.31; 'subject:that': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'run': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.33; 'could': 0.34; 'advice': 0.35; 'knows': 0.35; 'case,': 0.35; 'point.': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'google': 0.35; 'tech': 0.36; 'done': 0.36; 'url:listinfo': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'level': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'server': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'explain': 0.39; 'bad': 0.39; 'users': 0.40; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'read': 0.60; 'company': 0.60; 'tell': 0.60; 'issues,': 0.61; 'url:u': 0.61; 'you.': 0.62; 'back': 0.62; 'times': 0.62; 'making': 0.63; 'act': 0.63; 'information': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'taking': 0.65; 'great': 0.65; 'articles': 0.65; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'here': 0.66; 'url:0': 0.67; 'respect': 0.70; 'business': 0.70; 'touch': 0.74; 'grow': 0.77; 'account.': 0.80; 'url:gif': 0.82; 'url:images': 0.83; 'everything,': 0.84; 'experiment': 0.84; 'touched': 0.84; 'joel': 0.91; 'rusi': 0.91; 'poorly': 0.93; 'subject:let': 0.93; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=mosFcYVLrHJ5xCpelKkiLd05ZsySpBXB7EA4SdKNszU=; b=bgIgaL3iVsiiqXwnHNVEL6YWFqwBV2eby2ddxaEPd1TdJcbu2PlA1ESN7+ByJzpilm DugvXfOlUHpXcCYuAPx4k3Po4+DJP70BC2xi1JGYatZOb97MlAAQGEL9UkFrxUVvBVPM yJzfZ1msVpv/IosOYRBZDsfzVmMucI60FiTFX5vqTR+015BsCPpfDdsY8ObE+cAqG5bc OavTf+B6VewXWLh23DuknJtbWp2P7UEZYrMEA5MhP//7KpYJ7BLapfb/G1sTNhNBBhkf 3c1a2ITN1KKl8RCfZRtMaFcIzlKXrIEpL9hqYUunLwXjDEwijcRKwSp8mxfSl6kG+bgt YnEA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.165.99 with SMTP id yx3mr17591941vdb.34.1370460587972; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 12:29:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20a49aac-3867-481f-96d4-c95a050781ed@googlegroups.com> <8df8a9df-dbb9-4f35-a6a3-b45aa32a848b@googlegroups.com> <1496e27c-7870-48d2-afb0-1bf626e24b5f@googlegroups.com> <83de920f-dea8-49ad-9f6e-e25d3b2d8446@googlegroups.com> <501f3d4e-bbe3-45e8-afce-96cedabe2bef@googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 15:29:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Apache and suexec issue that wont let me run my python script From: Joel Goldstick To: Chris Angelico Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2473a865e2c04de6d385f Cc: "python-list@python.org" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 136 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1370460592 news.xs4all.nl 15873 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:44262 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:47141 --001a11c2473a865e2c04de6d385f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Now, you were right about my bad mouth because iam going to tell you to sod off. >Well, if he had ethics he would have told me that his intentiosn were to screw my business and also he could actually tried to help me out. Many times I've seen people here give you their best advice and you come back seemingly having not even read what they had to say. You just whine and say someone should help you, even though many have already done that. You don't take the help. Now in this case, Chris more or less proved my point. I've been reading along, and he said exactly what he would do if you gave him root access to your account. He said he would write to your users and explain to them the peril of how you run your hosting service. He didn't say he would help you. Go back and read exactly what he said, and then take a deep breath and do some introspection of your own conduct. He basically said, don't touch the stove, its hot. And you touched the stove and then complained. You act very poorly here. Grow up >I'am not incompetentm i;m a beginner and i learn along the way, also i ahve a hostign company and 3rd level tech that support me when it come to system administration. I think you are incompetent. No one knows everything, and groups like this are a great place to learn more. But part of being competent is being careful. You are reckless. You work on a live server for which you have paying customers. You make endless changes to your code without taking the time to go off and google for information about the topic you are struggling with. Your live site should probably have been put together using a framework, but that would have required you to read about, experiment with and use a framework. You write html code in the midst of your python code. You have endless encoding/decoding issues, but you have never apparently read the many articles on how unicode works. Have some respect for the science and craft of making good software. On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:55 AM, rusi wrote: > > If you obdurately, obstinately, insistently, incessantly behave like > > an asshole, you leave no-one the choice but to treat you like an > > asshole. > > This is Python. We duck-type people. > > ChrisA > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com --001a11c2473a865e2c04de6d385f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Now, you were right about my bad = mouth because iam going to tell you to sod off.

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=C2=A0 >Well, if he had ethics he would have told me that his int= entiosn were to screw my business and also he could actually tried to help me out.

Many times I've seen people here give you their best advice = and you come back seemingly having not even read what they had to say.=C2= =A0 You just whine and say someone should help you, even though many have a= lready done that.=C2=A0 You don't take the help.

Now in this case, Chris more or less proved my point.=C2=A0 = I've been reading along, and he said exactly what he would do if you ga= ve him root access to your account.=C2=A0 He said he would write to your us= ers and explain to them the peril of how you run your hosting service.=C2= =A0 He didn't say he would help you.=C2=A0

Go back and read exactly what he said, and then take a deep = breath and do some introspection of your own conduct.=C2=A0 He basically sa= id, don't touch the stove, its hot.=C2=A0 And you touched the stove and= then complained.=C2=A0 You act very poorly here.=C2=A0 Grow up
=C2=A0>I'am not incompetentm i;m a beginner and i learn along the w= ay, also i=20 ahve a hostign company and 3rd level tech that support me when it come=20 to system administration.

I think you are incompetent.=C2=A0 No one knows everything, and grou= ps like this are a great place to learn more.=C2=A0 But part of being compe= tent is being careful.=C2=A0 You are reckless.=C2=A0 You work on a live ser= ver for which you have paying customers.=C2=A0 You make endless changes to = your code without taking the time to go off and google for information abou= t the topic you are struggling with.=C2=A0 Your live site should probably h= ave been put together using a framework, but that would have required you t= o read about, experiment with and use a framework.=C2=A0 You write html cod= e in the midst of your python code.=C2=A0 You have endless encoding/decodin= g issues, but you have never apparently read the many articles on how unico= de works.

Have some respect for = the science and craft of making good software.




On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Chris Angelico <rosuav@g= mail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:5= 5 AM, rusi <rustompmody@gmail.c= om> wrote:
> If you obdurately, obstinately, insistently, incessantly behave like > an asshole, you leave no-one the choice but to treat you like an
> asshole.

This is Python. We duck-type people.

ChrisA
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