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Johansson" Subject: OT: accessibility (was "Re: simplified Python parsing question") X-Priority: 4 (Low) References: <5015C58D.4040101@harvee.org> <50165308.5060708@shopzeus.com> <50165A94.5050906@harvee.org> <5016A140.7010106@shopzeus.com> <50173aea$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <50173EE6.3030702@harvee.org> In-Reply-To: <50173EE6.3030702@harvee.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - boston.accountservergroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tim.thechases.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1343703208 news.xs4all.nl 6902 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:42585 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:26289 On 07/30/12 21:11, Eric S. Johansson wrote: > the ability for multiple people to work on the same document at > the same time is really important. Can't do that with Word or > Libre office. revision tracking in traditional word processors > are unpleasant to work with especially if your hands are broken. If you're developing, I might recommend using text-based storage and actual revision-control software. Hosting HTML (or Restructured Text, or plain-text, or LaTeX) documents on a shared repository such as GitHub or Bitbucket provides nicely for accessible documentation as well as much more powerful revision control. > It would please me greatly if you would be willing to try an > experiment. live my life for a while. Sit in a chair and tell > somebody what to type and where to move the mouse without moving > your hands. keep your hands gripping the arms or the sides of > the chair. The rule is you can't touch the keyboard you can't > touch the mice, you can't point at the screen. I suspect you > would have a hard time surviving half a day with these > limitations. no embarrassment in that, most people wouldn't make > it as far as a half a day. I've tried a similar experiment and am curious on your input device. Eye-tracking/dwell-clicking? A sip/puff joystick? Of the various input methods I tried, I found that Dasher[1] was the most intuitive, had a fairly high input rate and accuracy (both initially, and in terms of correcting mistakes I'd made). It also had the ability to generate dictionaries/vocabularies that made more appropriate/weighted suggestions which might help in certain contexts (e.g. pre-load a Python grammar allowing for choosing full atoms in a given context). -tkc [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dasher http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/