Path: csiph.com!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!newsfeed1.swip.net!uio.no!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!nzpost1.xs4all.net!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.013 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'counting': 0.07; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.09; 'subtle': 0.09; 'zero.': 0.09; 'thu,': 0.15; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'zero,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'say,': 0.18; '2015': 0.20; 'cc:2**0': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; 'sep': 0.22; 'am,': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; '"please': 0.29; 'somebody': 0.30; "d'aprano": 0.33; 'steven': 0.33; 'languages': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'difference': 0.38; "didn't": 0.39; 'your': 0.60; 'more': 0.63; 'between': 0.65; 'natural': 0.67; 'therefore': 0.67; 'chrisa': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=ekOYqDWFdIWa1HMhOPUF3FlhN7ZVFu2GDU+lCoDNM8Q=; b=RTzjy+29Xita3zE1RAUl5J9ICj5zHEPpK9Wxr7KCc1RE7kYCwMf1eGqfBzGldFts4c ZolgBfOauZbrCBMx+y3xkUy7eB5MIQQnBAhpzMU4gLRGD5+ZZmfjK8+aFTCQjZgu3dwo rYixnKMzdfg+95El5kT1MoQAanRUKfQjUWsb8SWHVaEO7hsVCnfb4QFXsgYKgXPmoe3o uvcVX803FEUAzoiYtRgWW+XohwBY2ZuZ/RJB9s5raa7YqQ7l+YU4XlKzEUEoyCTQHOjB jikYkMoOy/BJ/HD0+fMyvOho5GIYwJYO4sFCSTjtLaRIVgNmyzy1g9DG1JzJe72XFNOK Xq0Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.178.145 with SMTP id cy17mr54499067igc.92.1441819648926; Wed, 09 Sep 2015 10:27:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55f06ae1$0$1650$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <86fa425b-d660-45ba-b0f7-3beebdec8e14@googlegroups.com> <55EE9EEC.1060907@rece.vub.ac.be> <55ef0514$0$1655$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <55efa62d$0$1653$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <55f06ae1$0$1650$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 03:27:28 +1000 Subject: Re: Python handles globals badly. From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1441819652 news.xs4all.nl 23796 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38182 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:96198 On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:22 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > I think my favourite is the guy who claims that the reason natural languages > all count from 1 is because the Romans failed to invent zero. (What about > languages that didn't derive from Latin, say, Chinese?) And that now that > we have zero, counting from it should be more natural. So if you give > somebody two apples, but no banana, and ask them to count their apples, > they would count "Zero, one... therefore I have two apples". And if you > then ask them to count their bananas, they would do what? They would respond that there is a subtle difference between "Please count your bananas" and "Please, Count... you're bananas". ChrisA