Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.154 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.70; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'preferably': 0.05; 'generous': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'contribute': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'agree.': 0.16; 'behaviour.': 0.16; 'ignoring': 0.16; 'out"': 0.16; 'subject:PYTHON': 0.16; 'ignore': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'saying': 0.22; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; 'him.': 0.24; 'questions:': 0.24; 'tend': 0.24; 'non': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'generally': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'waste': 0.30; 'asks': 0.31; 'way?': 0.31; 'community': 0.33; 'maybe': 0.34; "can't": 0.35; 'agree': 0.35; 'beyond': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; "he's": 0.36; 'surely': 0.36; 'being': 0.38; 'feed': 0.38; 'others.': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'read': 0.60; 'above,': 0.60; "you're": 0.61; 'complete': 0.62; 'information': 0.63; 'refer': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'finally': 0.65; 'peace': 0.65; 'here': 0.66; 'believe': 0.68; 'respect': 0.70; 'friendly': 0.72; 'himself,': 0.84; 'limit?': 0.84; 'pardon': 0.84; 'received:192.168.1.7': 0.84; 'received:195.238': 0.84; 'received:195.238.6': 0.84; 'received:belgacom.be': 0.84; 'received:isp.belgacom.be': 0.84; 'refuses': 0.84; 'welcoming': 0.84 X-Belgacom-Dynamic: yes X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBABbsh1JQyHQi/2dsb2JhbAANTMBFgnuBNYMZAQEBBGsNEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRMIAhCHcq41igSIYheOKIFIFoQbA5gQlTaBaA Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 23:07:52 +0100 From: Antoon Pardon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130922 Icedove/17.0.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS References: <20131116150224.73c8997e@bigbox.christie.dr> <5287E302.8090501@rece.vub.ac.be> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1384639679 news.xs4all.nl 15978 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:36109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:59662 Op 16-11-13 22:44, Mark Lawrence schreef: > On 16/11/2013 21:26, Antoon Pardon wrote: >> >> Please don't encourage our Help Vampire. I know this is generally a >> welcoming community that is generous with its expertise, even if >> someone asks questions beyond python. But Nikos abuses that generousity >> which angers and frustrates a lot of people and generates a lot of >> hostility here. >> >> So we need people not to encourage Nikos and that means being rather >> less friendly with him than with others. So please ignore non >> python questions from him. With respect to python questions: Don't >> spoon feed him. Don't answer his questions for him or do his work for >> him. Give him the information he needs to find things out himself, >> preferably refer him to the documentation. >> > > Although I agree with the sentiments that you give above, I've come to > the conclusion that giving him anything is a complete waste of our time. > Why answer his questions if he then states he doesn't want to do it that > way? Why refer him to documentation if he refuses to read it? > > I don't like saying this but I believe the only way to get any peace > around here is to ignore him completely. Surely by now he's way past > his "three strikes and you're out" limit? Well I personnaly tend to agree. However I fear that a number of persons will always feel uncomfortable with ignoring Nikos completely. So I see this as a compremise. Those who feel they can't completely ignore Nikos can in this way still contribute in a way that doesn't encourage the help vampiristic behaviour. And maybem just maybe if enough people only refer him to the documentation Nikos will finally start reading them. -- Antoon Pardon