Path: csiph.com!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!newsfeed1.swip.net!uio.no!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!nzpost1.xs4all.net!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.05; 'guido': 0.05; 'reject': 0.05; 'alternatives': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'statements': 0.09; 'syntax': 0.13; 'suggest': 0.15; 'do,': 0.15; 'overriding': 0.16; 'python-dev,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'language': 0.19; 'work,': 0.21; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'users,': 0.22; 'words': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'developers': 0.26; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'fine': 0.28; 'idea,': 0.29; "they'll": 0.29; 'thinks': 0.29; 'users.': 0.31; 'implement': 0.32; 'language.': 0.32; 'statement': 0.32; 'steven': 0.33; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'things': 0.38; 'someone': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'rather': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'mark': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'decision': 0.61; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.62; 'more': 0.63; 'different': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'situation': 0.67; 'choose': 0.68; "d'aprano:": 0.84; 'nonsense.': 0.84; 'pardon': 0.84; 'pythonistas,': 0.84; 'schreef': 0.84; 'wars': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Python handles globals badly. Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2015 17:46:37 +0100 References: <4602a32c-5109-47dd-95bb-b9723738f07f@googlegroups.com> <55E8E09A.3080309@gmail.com> <55efa705$0$1653$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <55F04A60.9050402@rece.vub.ac.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.66.69 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 In-Reply-To: <55F04A60.9050402@rece.vub.ac.be> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1441817233 news.xs4all.nl 23731 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:50721 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:96196 On 09/09/2015 16:04, Antoon Pardon wrote: > Op 09-09-15 om 05:27 schreef Steven D'Aprano: > >> In the case of case/switch, there is no consensus on what the statement >> should do, how it should work, what purpose it has, or what syntax it >> should use. Rather than "there's no alternative to a case statement", the >> situation was more like "there are many good alternatives to the various >> different case statements people want". > > Since when does Guido need a consensus? Look the developers have only limited > time, and they get to choose what they consider a priority and what they don't. > And if they think other things have higher priority, fine by me. But don't > come with, no support/consensus with the users, because if the dev-team thinks > something is a good idea, they'll implement it without much consideration for > support/consensus among the users. > A number of recent PEPs have been given delegated authority, so someone other than Guido makes the final decision as to whether to accept or reject it. I can only suggest you don't follow some of the intense wars of words that go on on python-dev, or even python-ideas, as the part about this dev-team simply overriding users is nonsense. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence