Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!goblin1!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.012 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; '(at': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'cpython': 0.05; 'python': 0.09; '(written': 0.09; 'bug': 0.10; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; 'language': 0.14; 'devs': 0.16; 'message-id:@unknownmsgid': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'windows': 0.19; 'developer': 0.19; 'option.': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'least': 0.25; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'language.': 0.27; 'andrew': 0.27; 'fixed': 0.28; 'gil': 0.29; 'perl': 0.29; 'url:mailman': 0.29; 'subject: ?': 0.30; 'url:python': 0.32; 'received:209.85.160.46': 0.32; 'url:listinfo': 0.32; 'doubt': 0.33; 'anyone': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'pm,': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'url:org': 0.36; 'development.': 0.36; 'possible': 0.37; 'option': 0.37; 'why': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'url:en': 0.38; 'application': 0.40; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'here:': 0.62; 'skip:6 10': 0.63; 'brown': 0.65; 'jul': 0.65; 'ago.': 0.66; 'today.': 0.69; 'inherent': 0.84; 'multicore': 0.84; 'subject:proposition': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=RZAy19D1zLsIJBNRRzvIwKyL/Iktha0a82/OMq/OQHs=; b=f0A2XTiTwEsSxdstCPEljRGln8J4X4gAdkfSRQNoM/sexWuFDE0XJLDDUPabioMbjN YQeyQIsruhheYFZad/NYOIezwOWn63WzyWTwCm/0aBWY+179rKOeoK3iqUTDrhrYHaZq 0m2a1EENfuZO8YDhbiBcVn0dst6N1fiqH6v4Jtty8Up+4MAy7NH3UHSBpU6FumrvZu5f as5TNc0G+92wATfCCyBOGsuTDn3D65F2+93S8C15ZEGQteHQSXlH+13EB+zEOQnLWSW4 lyFT97QScyVFUVunIR46Dh+qgaFrveotvvmZfbQtqCBN5YYTmlouJd1vnKtdcqMLjS8J eFFw== References: <-1016624622349492799@unknownmsgid> <5015DAC6.6060803@gmail.com> From: Rodrick Brown In-Reply-To: <5015DAC6.6060803@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 22:31:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ? To: Andrew Berg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "comp.lang.python" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1343615472 news.xs4all.nl 6916 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:52440 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:26223 On Jul 29, 2012, at 8:54 PM, Andrew Berg wrote: > On 7/29/2012 7:12 PM, Rodrick Brown wrote: >> Python is a glue language much like Perl was 10 years ago. Until the >> GIL is fixed I doubt anyone will seriously look at Python as an option >> for large enterprise standalone application development. > The GIL is neither a bug to be fixed nor an inherent part of the > language. It is a design choice for CPython. There are reasons the > CPython devs have no intention of removing the GIL (at least in the near > future). A recent outline of these reasons (written by one of the > CPython devs) is here: > > http://python-notes.boredomandlaziness.org/en/latest/python3/questions_and_answers.html#but-but-surely-fixing-the-gil-is-more-important-than-fixing-unicode Hence the reason why no one will seriously look at Python for none glue work or simple web apps. When it comes to designing complex applications that need to exploit large multicore systems Python just isn't an option. Its still not possible to be a pure Python developer and find gainful employment today. > -- > CPython 3.3.0b1 | Windows NT 6.1.7601.17803 > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list