Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.017 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; '(at': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'cpython': 0.05; 'python': 0.09; '(written': 0.09; 'bug': 0.10; 'language': 0.14; 'devs': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'windows': 0.19; 'received:209.85.214.174': 0.21; 'least': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.26; 'language.': 0.27; 'fixed': 0.28; 'gil': 0.29; 'perl': 0.29; 'subject: ?': 0.30; 'doubt': 0.33; 'anyone': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'pm,': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'message- id:@gmail.com': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'development.': 0.36; 'option': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'url:en': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:209.85.214': 0.39; 'received:192': 0.39; 'application': 0.40; 'received:192.168': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'here:': 0.62; 'skip:6 10': 0.63; 'brown': 0.65; 'ago.': 0.66; 'inherent': 0.84; 'subject:proposition': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4/NpR+NIpK8hbxAJGmlGu6m02gc52asQ8mZbZFXyj6Q=; b=vNY0R8gZcK4wR3cGJ4jgh2iEwkP7CPCcGj9CAfjqqEjJfdEejJ38e2l38YItFUk4Y7 tYhEGpZsun06o4ql3JzMc+mpxUYZNcTi4fdT/RyDWh45E2ebS/DpHBp7Ao+ZrHdl+ePt 6MxBQOyUrm4tS1lpIxtLiY9GZHoOkS1NXDhHcD3itGDRc+1HnJTYgeS1TLvgyadBlK2n HgycGskzfiWI1Y03Nc7f+2wrW5hwSOHlsaBAjdQbkM8troSmEivbX9xHPcfZjr10/tFL /4aCgE8S2uDYaOlmwckJmgM3TA7TO+A8k8iBgB6L8yYKsq6d2VvNoGFKnbWG5zgaeMi+ c9fA== Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:52:22 -0500 From: Andrew Berg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "comp.lang.python" Subject: Re: Is Python a commercial proposition ? References: <-1016624622349492799@unknownmsgid> In-Reply-To: <-1016624622349492799@unknownmsgid> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1343609562 news.xs4all.nl 6925 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60227 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:26220 On 7/29/2012 7:12 PM, Rodrick Brown wrote: > Python is a glue language much like Perl was 10 years ago. Until the > GIL is fixed I doubt anyone will seriously look at Python as an option > for large enterprise standalone application development. The GIL is neither a bug to be fixed nor an inherent part of the language. It is a design choice for CPython. There are reasons the CPython devs have no intention of removing the GIL (at least in the near future). A recent outline of these reasons (written by one of the CPython devs) is here: http://python-notes.boredomandlaziness.org/en/latest/python3/questions_and_answers.html#but-but-surely-fixing-the-gil-is-more-important-than-fixing-unicode -- CPython 3.3.0b1 | Windows NT 6.1.7601.17803