Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Chris Angelico Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Considering migrating to Python from Visual Basic 6 for engineering applications Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 11:57:28 +1100 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <90cc50d2-1ce5-4588-9bfd-a49d439f00dd@googlegroups.com> <14c75a68-0d2e-45cc-8d73-0d71b6a6aea6@googlegroups.com> <56c66225$0$1607$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 5CMmuAAuWi9GYEQg17vuSwfWwCp2XD9oKJPSmM8deJ3g== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.014 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'received:209.85.223': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.09; '"but': 0.09; 'subject:Visual': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; 'python.': 0.11; 'subject: \n ': 0.15; 'things.': 0.15; 'thu,': 0.15; '(other': 0.16; '11:30': 0.16; '2016': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'people,': 0.20; 'cc:2**0': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; 'pass': 0.22; 'am,': 0.23; 'feb': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'chris': 0.26; 'bugs': 0.27; 'fri,': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'whitespace': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'that.': 0.30; 'code': 0.30; 'programmers': 0.30; 'source': 0.33; "d'aprano": 0.33; 'steven': 0.33; 'that,': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'trouble': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'received:209.85': 0.36; "wasn't": 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'say': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.38; 'why': 0.39; 'subject:from': 0.39; "didn't": 0.39; 'leading': 0.61; 'matter': 0.63; '(that': 0.63; 'different': 0.63; 'you.': 0.64; 'talking': 0.67; 'biggest': 0.67; 'price': 0.69; '10:32': 0.84; 'chrisa': 0.84; 'flaw': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.91; 'bags': 0.91; 'notion': 0.91; 'thoughts,': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=erkre8tAFwUiqEeV9OmIVpSuE+YFKFgDBvcCQH+Mu/M=; b=rEqHiDZ0OlpQ0EuEjHLjbYNBgKN5fAxGpFJxeP1EOVPaiYs/Oqi36gB1VNKaFLRH9u OdQnQJgimaulSpSRChAXtJ7hJQ7Gw4v0zAUws5cG9ireUK2+VEi56Ndu/KqUP+fpYsDn 7FL/v+1Y0GILp04WANIHUrWPxZ7JBeCtw/g6UlcjrI6IQsDBovCnlT97rlwytu13AWdd tYqIjty+qZ9mM8Rvz9jXcz81ZNzzHstAGgdDR1UF/DJLVqPNWfo4Y4Sb0pe/Lv+6Pn7w f8XI1dI6A6JEosiJCiXJ7u1yVyiNlSzeQQoVj6pfmLTrdDO0S+z+F4lHZmenv64SNhCM g+OA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:cc:content-type; bh=erkre8tAFwUiqEeV9OmIVpSuE+YFKFgDBvcCQH+Mu/M=; b=ScW97x4BL0IAVIL+PoyByui/iUevZL9Vd5vZoA7M/ph3+MHt3ZB9OcrYm25WtU/Ujm RE/4ZEppGdv53dglj/e3hAWlFg3uzwkLdBlxCrD8TpUdQEugf/pO6FlMuTLAT+hGx1wF DoiHX8K6SUKZN+hojrtc0QlsEWxlEYXiRPBAdSYva/j1DERQLX3lWdRipYCbEgj6dbfI fcCJOTLs1fmCwBapylyJJrPLjoGg/Ux6PzNZR8InP8hrPHGWjj4m1PZfBqX+9g2nrCjP SK+3CpvC1wY/jvKwVNPd0IzYDxFAxZtQ0hY2g3j0RpRO3cWG/W7NO3vG9kiqV3uGsSl4 DITQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOTl7X5LQtwojU2y7O5M9CtWbvslW4Nk4uv0Qzule1exvstWdRxe8DG8DUu0nbh8iMECe7Zc1fQbHcZ+7A== X-Received: by 10.107.47.162 with SMTP id v34mr11158597iov.19.1455843449075; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:57:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <56c66225$0$1607$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21rc2 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:103158 On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 10:32 pm, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> The biggest disadvantage of Python is that, in a number of ways, it >> surprises people. Significant whitespace bugs a lot of experienced >> programmers > > This is why we cannot have nice things. > > "But what if we pass the source code through a system that strips out > leading whitespace?" > > "Then don't do that. What if you pass the source code through a system that > strips out braces?" You may note that I didn't say that this was a flaw in Python. And it's not a tooling issue either (that was mentioned as a parenthesis, but wasn't my main point). I'm talking about how people, those bags of flesh and thoughts, are bugged out by the notion that *whitespace* should matter (other than the mere presence/absence of it). It's the price you pay for being different - people will have trouble comprehending you. ChrisA