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From: Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu>
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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 18:49:49 -0500
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On 11/15/2013 6:28 AM, Robin Becker wrote:
> I'm trying to understand what's going on with this simple program
>
> if __name__=3D=3D'__main__':
>      print("repr=3D%s" % repr(u'\xc1'))
>      print("%%r=3D%r" % u'\xc1')
>
> On my windows XP box this fails miserably if run directly at a terminal=

>
> C:\tmp> \Python33\python.exe bang.py
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "bang.py", line 2, in <module>
>      print("repr=3D%s" % repr(u'\xc1'))
>    File "C:\Python33\lib\encodings\cp437.py", line 19, in encode
>      return codecs.charmap_encode(input,self.errors,encoding_map)[0]
> UnicodeEncodeError: 'charmap' codec can't encode character '\xc1' in
> position 6: character maps to <undefined>
>
> If I run the program redirected into a file then no error occurs and th=
e
> the result looks like this
>
> C:\tmp>cat fff
> repr=3D'=E2=94=B4'
> %r=3D'=E2=94=B4'
>
> and if I run it into a pipe it works as though into a file.
>
> It seems that repr thinks it can render u'\xc1' directly which is a
> problem since print then seems to want to convert that to cp437 if
> directed into a terminal.
>
> I find the idea that print knows what it's printing to a bit dangerous,=


print() just calls file.write(s), where file defaults to sys.stdout, for =

each string fragment it creates. write(s) *has* to encode s to bytes=20
according to some encoding, and it uses the encoding associated with the =

file when it was opened.

> but it's the repr behaviour that strikes me as bad.
>
> What is responsible for defining the repr function's 'printable'
 > so that repr would give me say an Ascii rendering?

That is not repr's job. Perhaps you are looking for
 >>> repr(u'\xc1')
"'=C3=81'"
 >>> ascii(u'\xc1')
"'\\xc1'"
The above is with Idle on Win7. It is *much* better than the=20
intentionally crippled console for working with the BMP subset of unicode=
=2E

--=20
Terry Jan Reedy