Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.039 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.92; '*S*': 0.00; 'interpreter': 0.05; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'def': 0.12; 'constants.': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; "function's": 0.16; 'subject:parameters': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'feb': 0.22; '>>>': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'source': 0.25; 'this:': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'function': 0.29; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'getting': 0.31; 'you?': 0.31; '"",': 0.31; '>>>>': 0.31; 'explained': 0.31; 'created': 0.35; 'case,': 0.35; 'no,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'being': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'enough': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'first': 0.61; 'reached': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; '2015': 0.84; '4.2.1': 0.84; 'intern': 0.84; 'try,': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=1CeW8OpLob0vcn6UFpdPRsp2QUuZtdu+H0DSYL4Q6B4=; b=rnm6XL3/mBR1xsG1cb1XaIqxJtlkIB9D0A09O5OfDlRTYjgRKLPBiVVyYDaVderV9k ElUB8agvJi0zjVAZiEl3s3qnmJKYuKAomhZ/QzpevqKYV2+sLoAsx23U8yOu7WvRlqlr u94fSf4w0axSHJsR60GM6XlqrOvSF0SKD/nC0P3oCWC9qkRZxbezhEMrQzUF/1+/+SqK bEYt1capMyqVufy9iVQ4iF8d56Ok5PW5ra1na7Qv643Lkh0At4V0fLc2IEO45WGZ+6oX vnlrMv8vVCqsPjoNPxdsmkNEpTqCBJov5yZFwrDySG0n+1eAKuiOplbWypLcjSUPOhXM s53w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.176.137 with SMTP id ci9mr1220833igc.2.1431137153201; Fri, 08 May 2015 19:05:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <72lu1cxvmg.ln2@news.c0t0d0s0.de> <554cd511$0$12979$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <554cf421$0$12978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 12:05:53 +1000 Subject: Re: functions, optional parameters From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1431137161 news.xs4all.nl 2861 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:52258 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:90205 On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Gregory Ewing wrote: > Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> How do you know that the function's code >> object was created when compile() happened, rather than being created >> when the function was defined? > > > Python 3.4.2 (default, Feb 4 2015, 20:08:25) > [GCC 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5664)] on darwin > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>>> source = "def f(x = 42): pass" >>>> code = compile(source, "", "exec") >>>> c1 = code.co_consts[1] >>>> c1 > >>>> e = {} >>>> exec(code, e) >>>> c2 = e['f'].__code__ >>>> c2 > >>>> c1 is c2 > True > > Is that proof enough for you? That's what I reached for as my first try, but it's no different from this: >>> def f(x=42): return x + 1 ... >>> n1 = f() >>> n2 = f(n1-1) >>> n1 is n2 True Clearly in this case, the "x + 1" is getting evaluated at run-time, and yet the interpreter is welcome to intern the constants. So no, it isn't proof - it's equally well explained by the code object being constant. ChrisA