Path: csiph.com!news.swapon.de!newsfeed.fsmpi.rwth-aachen.de!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!nzpost1.xs4all.net!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.027 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; '[1,': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; 'wed,': 0.15; '11:42': 0.16; 'former,': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'reproduce': 0.16; 'temp': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; '2015': 0.20; 'do.': 0.22; 'sep': 0.22; 'am,': 0.23; 'code.': 0.23; 'second': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'cases.': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'gets': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'really': 0.37; 'easily': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'behavior': 0.61; '>>>>>': 0.66; 'results': 0.66; 'pardon': 0.84; 'to:name:python': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=5x5bPrMTIYbab7Q1vrE+pGt5amA37NZqwOhM3g5IK9g=; b=G4SzYNYa7iXx4fLNLrYjKA8RxhctQ5VvcuUEtSDwwEY2X+VoSGSq9bGpNmvbMoeIrr d4l6w+lqi7lXanXOjB/JFmV/msUlJcWGDw22UGAX8oisYRPQgi8ITHoBN4Leq7wNmXNQ XAPlutoW+bxK4a10zfkm0pPPVcY4zsZ4MQc+rUkdYeMTd97wv2mHJv2ldni4yonIcw0a iuGbGDQOMhFwBGvTf4XrfLl1N8tQcQb6HcLOe+P6sZJmDVsZadaX0chiehehabPeTLUO tFmslkLxLyX7n0jQEe5Uv5AphOvwDE9h9bUwXgBTeygJ9WWXMuY20yWoEEozcQYGbPRb QkbQ== X-Received: by 10.129.51.88 with SMTP id z85mr24078463ywz.148.1441217235366; Wed, 02 Sep 2015 11:07:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <55E6C904.3020602@rece.vub.ac.be> From: Ian Kelly Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 12:06:32 -0600 Subject: Re: packing unpacking depends on order. To: Python Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1441217727 news.xs4all.nl 23727 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53626 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:95884 On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 9/2/2015 6:01 AM, Antoon Pardon wrote: >> >> >>>>> a = [1, 2, 3, 4, 5] >>>>> b = 1 >>>>> b, a[b] = a[b], b >>>>> a >> >> [1, 2, 1, 4, 5] >>>>> >>>>> a = [1, 2, 3, 4, 5] >>>>> b = 1 >>>>> a[b], b = b, a[b] >>>>> a >> >> [1, 1, 3, 4, 5] >> >> I think I understand how it gets these results >> but I'm not really happy with them. I think python >> should give the second result in both cases. > > > I do not want the choice taken away from me. I do. I think the former behavior is surprising, and that relying on it would result in confusing, hard-to-read code. If you really want the former, you can easily reproduce it with: temp = a[b] b, a[temp] = temp, b