Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.034 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.94; '*S*': 0.01; 'python.': 0.02; ';-)': 0.03; 'debugging': 0.07; 'prototyping': 0.07; 'dan': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'bug': 0.12; 'language.': 0.14; 'ah,': 0.16; 'received:74.208.4.195': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'work,': 0.20; '>>>': 0.22; 'print': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'subject:problem': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'statement': 0.30; 'card,': 0.31; 'yes.': 0.31; 'run': 0.32; 'problem': 0.35; 'subject:with': 0.35; 'add': 0.35; 'problems': 0.38; 'jason': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'days': 0.60; 'remove': 0.60; 'subject:"': 0.60; 'back': 0.62; "you've": 0.63; 'card': 0.63; 'subject:The': 0.64; 'believe': 0.68; 'received:74.208': 0.68; 'repeat': 0.74; 'circuit': 0.84; 'disappears': 0.84; 'extender': 0.84; 'mount': 0.93; '2013': 0.98 Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 08:56:57 -0400 From: Dave Angel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130510 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: PyWart: The problem with "print" References: <687dea63-84da-4c45-9366-cb5a10665d1f@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:/pKyGPNU8icwQlPNRpc5fHqTm/9yZcvsilhFYsgvuzW GUDY2KgY7bhxJBilwmm35c18dtpoive66eicKpf4CkaaUCldlB 4Ix7nVo4gpgSbwHY/Cj0Nf2EUf1bsWTuO00dW4mXMpfBuJrw0y oxu/Z0f0Nf3oDtJusorHYa8Dcm8/qC83njhGcPh497gdlX5RL8 wSy1In1apFOBjFJWurkHsCco9tcghXSECFFeYWWo3fp+Uc3LjS VFqpESGxk+UeNYx/Nc1vFO9CiEoaLU9mv6aTCPC0YoD3ulbLMU hCkX9BaJX1itGnzs8WY/OwxeQhc8Ff0pq77easDnQj1Y+MX0Q= = X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1370264236 news.xs4all.nl 16006 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58265 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:46788 On 06/03/2013 04:49 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 03/06/2013 04:10, Dan Sommers wrote: >> On Sun, 02 Jun 2013 20:16:21 -0400, Jason Swails wrote: >> >>> ... If you don't believe me, you've never hit a bug that 'magically' >>> disappears when you add a debugging print statement ;-). >> >> Ah, yes. The Heisenbug. ;-) >> >> We used to run into those back in the days of C and assembly language. >> They're much harder to see in the wild with Python. >> > > Strikes me it's a bit like problems when prototyping circuit boards. The > card doesn't work, so you mount it on an extender card, problem goes > away, remove extender card, problem reappears. Wash, rinse, repeat :) > That's when you use a little kappy-zapper spray. -- DaveA