Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.100 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.83; '*S*': 0.03; 'context': 0.07; 'debugging': 0.07; 'concern,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'lab.': 0.16; 'tool.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'code.': 0.18; 'aug': 0.22; 'saying': 0.22; 'server.': 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; '[1]': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'software,': 0.31; 'running': 0.33; 'guess': 0.33; "can't": 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'building': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'being': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'embedded': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'information': 0.63; 'specialized': 0.65; 'integrated': 0.69; 'beneficial': 0.91; 'probe': 0.91; 'instrument': 0.93; 'state.': 0.95; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=jgpLuUB9w34XsXfuv4LkhU5gVe/UHxXUemQfKUO3Sy4=; b=NOxJPnCMKZhqrZ2OwDtjwFc/lTamxXXAoRy2SO0Y+MXW5b40kAcs6mi6ImvH8+BJSi SeJxd378JBZ0ii3fBSsHqojCR7z4GRAEuf1wEhvgdqVzJiilTew86oiJW8vkcBmN/I/G OEMPUIp+lnrWkcpXu8EWm/dFOsmCUOI9D3Fy14zE4G7e5iS7VZpa0E1vU305KobW6aFv BD4cnUPb+2C2J1/LqtinJNvvccicGQFHnhRzA67sNt3uZE3BTLrbWwJ+KtEsxvmPnH9d mP7LKitVAEUaOlbvg8dVXs0Hh/E5euNraC8AenaWi01wCPHNHapQbZz7Bns7LKQKu9Hh qlxQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.221.68.71 with SMTP id xx7mr420391vcb.97.1375799907546; Tue, 06 Aug 2013 07:38:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5200F9AE.9000805@arskom.com.tr> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 15:38:27 +0100 Subject: Re: Newbie: static typing? From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1375799911 news.xs4all.nl 15893 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:40235 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:52048 On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Eric S. Johansson wrote: > I guess this is a long way of saying instrument your software so that it can > be tested and or give you enough information about the internal state. This > is sort of like building a specialized integrated circuit. You need to > design it so it can be tested/observed after it's been embedded in epoxy and > not just count on being able to probe the wafer in the lab. In software, that's easy: just have a way to execute arbitrary code in the context of the running server. A *hugely* beneficial debugging tool. Of course, it's also a security concern, so you have to put a good password [1] on it, or have some other system for guaranteeing that untrusted persons can't execute arbitrary code. ChrisA [1] By which I mean http://xkcd.com/936/ compliant.