Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.031 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.94; '*S*': 0.00; 'argument': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'differing': 0.09; 'repeated': 0.09; 'subject:skip:c 10': 0.09; 'argument.': 0.16; 'conflicting': 0.16; 'discussion.': 0.16; 'from:addr:cs': 0.16; 'from:addr:zip.com.au': 0.16; 'from:name:cameron simpson': 0.16; 'infinity': 0.16; 'message-id:@cskk.homeip.net': 0.16; 'received:211.29': 0.16; 'received:211.29.132': 0.16; 'received:cskk.homeip.net': 0.16; 'received:homeip.net': 0.16; 'received:optusnet.com.au': 0.16; 'received:syd.optusnet.com.au': 0.16; 'requisite': 0.16; 'simpson': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'do,': 0.16; 'ignore': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'discussion': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'trying': 0.19; 'community,': 0.19; 'help.': 0.21; 'example': 0.22; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'paul': 0.24; 'question': 0.24; 'push': 0.26; 'right.': 0.26; 'asking': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'appear': 0.29; 'involving': 0.30; 'getting': 0.31; '"please': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'own,': 0.31; 'post.': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'subject:with': 0.35; 'no,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; "he's": 0.36; 'leads': 0.36; 'received:com.au': 0.36; 'done': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'level': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'feed': 0.38; 'received:211': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'aside': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'eventually': 0.60; 'is.': 0.60; 'balance': 0.61; 'john': 0.61; 'further': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'content-disposition:inline': 0.62; 'real': 0.63; 'such': 0.63; 'skip:n 10': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'accompanying': 0.65; 'levels': 0.65; 'reply': 0.66; 'capable': 0.67; 'yes': 0.68; 'brain': 0.68; 'nobody': 0.68; 'other.': 0.75; 'low': 0.83; 'alone.': 0.84; 'balance,': 0.84; 'come,': 0.84; 'completely,': 0.84; 'indifferent': 0.84; 'response,': 0.91; 'yours.': 0.93 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:50:29 +1100 From: Cameron Simpson To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Most discussion on comp.lang.python is about developing with Python MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <52840fb7$0$29975$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) References: <52840fb7$0$29975$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> X-Optus-CM-Score: 0 X-Optus-CM-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=YYGEuWhf c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=YuQlxtEQCowy2cfE5kc7TA==:117 a=YuQlxtEQCowy2cfE5kc7TA==:17 a=ZtCCktOnAAAA:8 a=PO7r1zJSAAAA:8 a=LcaDllckn3IA:10 a=WiXhmdlsdCwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=vrnE16BAAAAA:8 a=8AHkEIZyAAAA:8 a=9w1An8zmXNkA:10 a=kZ7UWmmPAAAA:8 a=2gC1ZbWOLcKX8v5uXcsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=pyH5b1fOeEsA:10 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1384396700 news.xs4all.nl 15905 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:57340 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:59395 On 13Nov2013 23:48, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > As a community, it is difficult to balance the conflicting needs here. If > we ignore Nikos completely, we appear unfriendly and indifferent to those > asking for help. If we answer his questions, we encourage him to post. It > is hard to find the right balance, if there even is a right balance, and > people can have differing ideas of what that right balance is. For myself, I try to: - reply to interesting questions if I can help - ignore the non-technical content (flames etc) just trim it and ignore it try to set a good example in the reply without berating the flamer - on repeated flamage, try "please don't flame; try to stay technical; etc" but always with some accompanying techincal response - eventually give up and ignore threads or subthreads involving the person hurting my brain I think etiquette criticism that is a small aside in a technical response, if not done frequently, should be useful; it is a bit of push back without derailing the discussion. Etiquette criticism on its own, if on-list, I think derails the discussion and leads more readily to further bickering. And aggressive criticism is even more damaging that criticism alone. Trying not to feed the trolls, -- Cameron Simpson A Newbie: I was not asking the question to start any flames. [...] Nobody has to get to the low levels of argument and be rude to each other. Paul Tsai : Oh yes we do, grasshopper. It's a requisite for rec.moto. One must transcend the infinity of illussions before getting the real techno whiz answers to questions of such profundity as yours. John Stafford : No, he's right. After reading r.m. for a couple of years, I feel capable of being rude to ANYONE at ANY level of argument. In fact the higher they come, the harder they fall.....