Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Random832 Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help? 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They said they don't want stuff (where "stuff" includes pydoc but it's not clear why or where it ends) to automatically use a pager without being requested, and provided absolutely no criteria by which pydoc is special and shouldn't behave the same as git and man do (since the entire reason PAGER=cat is an unacceptable solution is that it "cripples" git and man).