Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'context': 0.07; 'attributes': 0.09; 'created,': 0.09; 'executed': 0.09; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'def': 0.12; '"code': 0.16; '1:48': 0.16; 'closures': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'read-only.': 0.16; 'subject:parameters': 0.16; 'time"': 0.16; 'underlying': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'compilation': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'function': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'statement': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'objects': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'i.e.': 0.36; 'object,': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'aside': 0.39; 'ian': 0.60; 'between': 0.67; 'default': 0.69; '2015': 0.84; 'compiling': 0.84; 'distinguish': 0.84; 'played': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=7g6ge2fN8XCfMgyWVAUMec5ZwuwAg+EhIiEJr52dARE=; b=b46l172MddC8i6IPvctWKeLYlCo/DICWxAsrPwNT990oSnR0dnTxAL99IMMEX4g6H5 lBApZHtPwJbmXwKgwMasJ0QhSXdXIQgi3EsfS/0OZqaghJJ0yLZoDuOjEeR6Ccf6mRcU IQzBhkjmyXZeF3ggNk/cY8pVuZQr63Cf4bbuTLrbyI7oRf52gqN7oUiV+7rQl1Qyx6LZ 4rOip/3CUARsWnt+6iCPQ6doQ6vWp7Pc/M84AGzoTbNtkaIEBVrQER9cPZaNyU9Se1PB LJfT8l30eG0ZGUtxrtEh3Sz7OHHIFIX0D2ZyJpfOD89X22jTToaM+vktfUQc8KzfYes7 DrrA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.43.199 with SMTP id y7mr4983273ice.12.1431100963115; Fri, 08 May 2015 09:02:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <72lu1cxvmg.ln2@news.c0t0d0s0.de> <554cd511$0$12979$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 02:02:42 +1000 Subject: Re: functions, optional parameters From: Chris Angelico Cc: Python Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1431100965 news.xs4all.nl 2950 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46601 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:90181 On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 1:48 AM, Ian Kelly wrote: > On May 8, 2015 9:26 AM, "Steven D'Aprano" > wrote: >> >> Do you think that Python will re-compile the body of the function every >> time >> you call it? Setting the default is part of the process of compiling the >> function. > > To be a bit pedantic, that's not accurate. The default is evaluated when the > function object is created, i.e. when the def statement is executed at > runtime, not when the underlying code object is compiled. Aside from constructing two closures in the same context and proving that their __code__ attributes point to the same object, is there any way to distinguish between "code object compilation time" and "def execution time"? I just played around with it, and as far as I can tell, code objects are completely read-only. ChrisA