Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.144 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.71; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:into': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'thread': 0.14; 'ignored,': 0.16; 'pythonistas': 0.16; 'thread,': 0.16; 'sender:addr:gmail.com': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'discussion': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'all,': 0.19; 'written': 0.21; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'fairly': 0.24; 'question': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'posts': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'quickly': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; '13,': 0.31; 'subject:Database': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; "we're": 0.32; 'another': 0.32; 'community': 0.33; 'addresses': 0.33; 'message.': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'in.': 0.36; 'interaction': 0.36; 'replies': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'useful': 0.36; 'list': 0.37; 'filter': 0.38; 'gmail': 0.38; 'initially': 0.38; 'nov': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'how': 0.40; 'most': 0.60; 'tell': 0.60; 'lower': 0.61; 'traffic': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'notified': 0.63; 'myself': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'judge': 0.68; 'promise': 0.68; 'listening': 0.74; 'saw': 0.77; '100': 0.79; 'email addr:python.org)': 0.84; 'flame': 0.84; 'mails': 0.89; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=iCNo9iV26iPkGjXsVBrw6GjwgM2UzY5yAFrQWZh/+nk=; b=oZqib0aeVY05SybFDWAgJt98S/8xc5xCDQ8PxgQKW+TLtP7wMuseWTyBY5v987kHfc u1uJL9KazrQ3G7kBF+JOYSgju/UOjo4BPqguu0bPMetrL47v1hvHIY8scEgXyO50Uy6R 4sa+yXeK6tLHxmkgsoarN8ovnnL5VFLl5S2saQtL37XTGCWIZCqEk/DLqrskMbAM7n14 WSJyjvt6u7WPyQGi5KUiroGrQXNsZv1E/kptiU7kKUgBELXrTKjTYc/hpEfvuUZtBcLT 2YEb4jYnV/V1TrmljkSH75faqeg7hHS3eP6VaP0jt6+VarhRjMEZjF8UiAj2p3IKQF88 r+cg== X-Received: by 10.205.65.81 with SMTP id xl17mr122293bkb.66.1384370669164; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:24:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: zachary.ware@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <5283CCB5.5050005@gmail.com> References: <527a5f79$1@news.synserver.de> <1ac21a4c-179e-40aa-a552-85b5e2a74b3d@googlegroups.com> <5281F03E.9000603@rece.vub.ac.be> <528256DC.1000808@rece.vub.ac.be> <5283419F.5030509@rece.vub.ac.be> <5283CCB5.5050005@gmail.com> From: Zachary Ware Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:24:09 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: IYhWBIfiXbZncA3d68fkMsH0NnE Subject: Re: To whoever hacked into my Database To: superchromix Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: "python-list@python.org" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1384370677 news.xs4all.nl 15944 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:51502 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:59330 On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:27 PM, superchromix wrote: > > > hi all, > > I've been thinking about learning Python for scientific programming.. but all of these flame war type posts make the user community look pretty lame. How did all of these nice packages get written when most of the user interaction is .... this?? > > Can anyone tell me, is there another newsgroup where the discussion is more on python programming? Please don't judge the whole community by this thread, I promise we're not all bad! The majority of the traffic on this list is of a useful sort, and you can learn fairly quickly the addresses that are best ignored, blocked, or otherwise passed over. For myself using Gmail, I have a filter set up to mark particular threads that I don't want to be notified about and mute them after the first few mails come in. I didn't see your message initially because it was part of a muted thread, I only saw it at all because the thread spilled over the 100 message mark into a "new" thread in Gmail with one of the replies to your message. Also, if you have a specific question about how to do something in Python you can try the tutor list (tutor@python.org) which is much more focused, much lower traffic, and has several very knowledgeable Pythonistas listening in. Give us a chance, and I don't think we'll let you down :) -- Zach