Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Random832 Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: What should Python apps do when asked to show help? Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 23:14:03 -0400 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <57223b76$0$22140$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <877ffhgnyf.fsf@nightsong.com> <0d5b5562-7a08-41de-8b84-a13f0792e767@googlegroups.com> <57232b34$0$1595$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <72444f12-784b-47b4-a80c-0ae53cf3b5a3@googlegroups.com> <57240856$0$1590$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <572413C9.2070405@stoneleaf.us> <1461982612.3299155.593966809.3D1A53FF@webmail.messagingengine.com> <41ec5af0-2ffa-4202-a5df-08f9660f7c57@googlegroups.com> <1461983791.3302675.593974129.5625C3C3@webmail.messagingengine.com> <875ab1a2-bd23-4b1e-92ca-4079b8e86e6b@googlegroups.com> <1461986043.3312511.593988601.278FD12E@webmail.messagingengine.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de obbIxEw3HHB5acSd35bpGQPiJP02CV9QHiraOHQyBlfA== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'subject:help': 0.07; 'git': 0.09; 'likewise': 0.09; 'received:internal': 0.09; 'output': 0.13; 'git.': 0.16; 'message- id:@webmail.messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:10.202': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2.212': 0.16; 'received:66.111': 0.16; 'received:66.111.4': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'subject:show': 0.16; 'subject:when': 0.16; 'sure.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'this:': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'fri,': 0.27; 'specifically': 0.28; 'everyone': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.32; 'should': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:10': 0.37; "won't": 0.38; 'received:66': 0.38; 'why': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'where': 0.40; 'ever': 0.60; 'your': 0.60; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.61; 'dont': 0.64; 'etc),': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.com; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=VfX/iLDF+1wxJKBiC2xiPbIk0+g=; b=02781p fDQtDPCJx0x8/LibzlVb7qMELngZWpia9YTo4gZgpU1zbysaeSZBH4xVu5LJ2iw1 IdNEC6a75b5VCU+YV8WMs9ZJ7985yM/rvtcPzH3e9VxJcaRmppJE1B+bHPl3GiuK 0NyIVp5tJJDfISer+r+m6VXemyXmSna+QEtls= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=VfX/iLDF+1wxJKB iC2xiPbIk0+g=; b=b2QVshLqEHI55Cg6lVDEK8sYiN/HmQ8BQlR0TIQHjVnBIdA 4XsQj1w1nrbMM3h+EBi7JKaYFEnrt/1aKQqB6MizYJPXsA0HKWu+hoyL3LmoteV7 8/OvxYQNaJFcOHTAft5KqHpHn1XzqvSkUK9oZK6FmhTyRYrxPxGLTTvUEYAc= X-Sasl-Enc: lu1xH1y2d7w9HRDXNHTFlRZOHre6MSY6ZlTJntGvEupE 1461986043 X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-491eb5a4 In-Reply-To: <875ab1a2-bd23-4b1e-92ca-4079b8e86e6b@googlegroups.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: <1461986043.3312511.593988601.278FD12E@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Mailman-Original-References: <57223b76$0$22140$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <877ffhgnyf.fsf@nightsong.com> <0d5b5562-7a08-41de-8b84-a13f0792e767@googlegroups.com> <57232b34$0$1595$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <72444f12-784b-47b4-a80c-0ae53cf3b5a3@googlegroups.com> <57240856$0$1590$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <572413C9.2070405@stoneleaf.us> <1461982612.3299155.593966809.3D1A53FF@webmail.messagingengine.com> <41ec5af0-2ffa-4202-a5df-08f9660f7c57@googlegroups.com> <1461983791.3302675.593974129.5625C3C3@webmail.messagingengine.com> <875ab1a2-bd23-4b1e-92ca-4079b8e86e6b@googlegroups.com> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:107899 On Fri, Apr 29, 2016, at 22:46, Rustom Mody wrote: > I dont get whats so hard to get in this: > When we need pagers we know where to get them And if you set PAGER=cat (thus "crippling your shell"), you will likewise know where to get them when you want to page the output from man or git. Why is pydoc less of a "place where a pager should be used by default" than man or git (diff, log, etc), if you accept the latter? > When we dont, please dont thump them on us > I dont know that anyone has taken the "I-HATE-pagers' view so much as > "Let me get them when I want them" Sure. And if you set PAGER=cat, then you won't ever see a pager unless you specifically request one. Everyone wins.