Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.145 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.71; '*S*': 0.00; 'emulate': 0.09; 'subject: [': 0.09; 'subject:into': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; '8:40': 0.16; 'badge': 0.16; 'crowd,': 0.16; 'highlight': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'community,': 0.19; 'written': 0.21; 'community.': 0.22; 'looks': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'sort': 0.25; 'least': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'approve': 0.31; 'bunch': 0.31; 'claiming': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'own,': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'subject:Database': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; "can't": 0.35; 'anywhere': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; "he's": 0.36; 'responsible': 0.36; 'turn': 0.37; 'nov': 0.38; 'subject:]': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; '12,': 0.39; 'bad': 0.39; 'guidance': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'called': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'read': 0.60; 'new': 0.61; 'name': 0.63; 'term': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'bottom': 0.67; 'hints': 0.68; 'nobody': 0.68; 'person,': 0.68; 'social': 0.69; 'power': 0.76; 'victim': 0.84; 'yours': 0.88; 'feelings': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=kC14FpMlUnn3mLkxe1JkYLScJ2OgwD7e94YivegMrtk=; b=JrayjYKgNOj/QQizjuETKlhHOUP1kXeXRUhR/BDEAYPYX62pQE2cPeaRz1kc4nqX6O cof6eLsV/Guur251bivyz93S/qEDGK1l0mQ/dSiy/Klzs3rztIlYF5v6NC55/kRCN0v0 /xy0zabKd5LYQfxtyddfQEcUfowxni3+C4cdCM+13FrX+vHIFgChM1Yr+HqPlRaAWTtJ D0sRxLWT9ib5Ll5lUD1J+pXztJq5tmlRJCB/ixmSZGF5czMRXD2H/0moICxuV2l6ahTJ Xv9uX7CwiSju5neB8UpRLGZ1necCwe8u0E7zvaNdIbwowr4eaWKgA+UflMjoJ7Ix77US D6Iw== X-Received: by 10.68.101.225 with SMTP id fj1mr41747422pbb.8.1384352575501; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 06:22:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5282f4a5$0$29980$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <527a5f79$1@news.synserver.de> <1ac21a4c-179e-40aa-a552-85b5e2a74b3d@googlegroups.com> <5281F03E.9000603@rece.vub.ac.be> <528256DC.1000808@rece.vub.ac.be> <5282A4A4.2060200@stoneleaf.us> <5282f4a5$0$29980$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> From: Ian Kelly Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:22:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Bullying [was Re: To whoever hacked into my Database] To: Python Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1384352584 news.xs4all.nl 15888 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38808 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:59304 On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Is "bullying" the new "terrorism", which in turn is the new "socialism"? > That is, a meaningless term of opprobrium used on anything you don't > like? That's what it sounds like to me. > > Nikos has practically no power in this community. He's one person, > friendless in this community, with no social standing. His position is > way down the bottom of what little pecking order a bunch of geeks has. > Nobody looks up at him for guidance or for hints as to what sort of > behaviour is acceptable. He has no Python know-how to withhold from those > he doesn't approve of (or inclination to help others). He can't even > force anyone to read his comments. I say this not to make him out to be > the victim here, he is at least equally responsible for the position he > is in, but to highlight the absurdity of claiming he is "bullying" > anywhere here. > > Just because (generic) you are annoyed by Nikos, or even if your feelings > are hurt because he called you a bad name or insulted your dead mother, > doesn't mean you are the victim of bullying. Claiming the badge of > victimhood for mild annoyances and hurt feelings is one of the least > admirable parts of the politically-correct crowd, please don't emulate > them. Well put. If I had seen your response earlier, I would not have written my own, because yours was much better written and more to the point..