Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.014 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'subsequent': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'nasty': 0.07; 'socket': 0.07; 'editor.': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'books': 0.15; 'amiga': 0.16; 'api,': 0.16; 'app"': 0.16; 'boards': 0.16; 'created.': 0.16; 'distinct': 0.16; 'hint': 0.16; 'message- id:@4ax.com': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'underlying': 0.16; 'unlikely': 0.16; 'seems': 0.21; 'url:home': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'feature': 0.29; 'direction': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'requests': 0.31; 'sep': 0.31; 'compatible': 0.32; 'text': 0.33; 'level.': 0.33; 'style': 0.33; 'could': 0.34; 'connection': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'application': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'received:76': 0.38; 'system,': 0.38; 'server': 0.38; 'requiring': 0.38; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'read': 0.60; 'easy': 0.60; 'subject:"': 0.60; 'developed': 0.63; 'linked': 0.65; 'guaranteed': 0.75; 'ports.': 0.84; 'queued': 0.84; 'subject:before': 0.84; 'subject:know': 0.84; 'subject:saying': 0.84; 'taken.': 0.84; 'usage.': 0.84; 'ports': 0.93; '2013': 0.98 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Dennis Lee Bieber Subject: Re: What minimum should a person know before saying "I know Python" Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 23:29:39 -0400 Organization: IISS Elusive Unicorn References: <31df03f7-2b81-483a-9242-b83ba4559b1a@googlegroups.com> <201309210222.59178.gheskett@wdtv.com> <201309221455.24880.gheskett@wdtv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-76-249-21-213.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 X-No-Archive: YES X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1379906986 news.xs4all.nl 15921 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:37727 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:54612 On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 14:55:24 -0400, Gene Heskett declaimed the following: >Then it seems to me that work in the direction should be an active feature >request. Unforch, as I've said before, I'm rowing this barge with a >toothpick for an oar. :) > >I would be interesting to see if the "bait" is taken. :) > Unfortunately, I see that as a requiring a change at the OS level. Even on the OS that REXX was developed upon, my books give a strong hint that the only application that was readily "address app" compatible was a text editor. ARexx piggy-backed on the underlying linked list messages on "findable" message ports. Until the OS supports a multiple writer IPC with return addressing in an easy API, it's unlikely to be created. UDP/IP might be a way -- but UDP has that nasty unreliability factor. Amiga message ports had guaranteed delivery (as long as the receiving process read the queued messages; and VMS mailboxes were similar). Multiple writer -- as any process could send messages to the single receiving port; it wasn't a socket server style where connection requests on a single port would be assigned a distinct port subsequent usage. Then again, the Amiga auto-config for boards pre-dates the PCI-express configuration system, which is very similar. -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/