Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'installed.': 0.05; 'only,': 0.07; 'trailing': 0.07; 'subject:Windows': 0.09; 'backslash': 0.09; 'backwards': 0.09; 'before.': 0.09; 'broke': 0.09; 'convention,': 0.09; 'macos': 0.09; 'unix,': 0.09; 'files.': 0.13; '(like': 0.15; '"every': 0.16; 'backward': 0.16; 'complained': 0.16; 'description)': 0.16; 'from:addr:mrabarnett.plus.com': 0.16; 'from:addr:python': 0.16; 'from:name:mrab': 0.16; 'insisted': 0.16; 'message- id:@mrabarnett.plus.com': 0.16; 'received:84.93': 0.16; 'received:84.93.230': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'hack': 0.18; '(or': 0.18; 'windows': 0.19; 'followed': 0.20; 'minor': 0.22; 'tools,': 0.23; 'linux': 0.24; 'least': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; '(e.g.': 0.27; 'convention': 0.27; "d'aprano": 0.29; 'steven': 0.29; 'worked': 0.30; 'asking': 0.32; 'received:84': 0.32; 'could': 0.32; 'anyone': 0.33; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.33; 'formats': 0.35; 'doing': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'michael': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'apple': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'operating': 0.36; 'does': 0.37; 'systems,': 0.37; 'data': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'things': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:192': 0.39; 'received:192.168': 0.40; 'think': 0.40; 'days': 0.60; 'kind': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'love': 0.63; 'making': 0.64; 'header:Reply- To:1': 0.68; 'reply-to:no real name:2**0': 0.72; 'old,': 0.83; 'computing.': 0.84; 'dominant': 0.84; 'printer': 0.84; 'reminds': 0.84; 'reply-to:addr:python.org': 0.84; 'thing,': 0.84; 'many,': 0.93 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=HO4d4PRv c=1 sm=1 a=0nF1XD0wxitMEM03M9B4ZQ==:17 a=_vX2mLoUpDQA:10 a=_0h3fVwFhPYA:10 a=ihvODaAuJD4A:10 a=OUOv7kDek9cA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=8AHkEIZyAAAA:8 a=huZuRs1bUIYA:10 a=UDBI2SRkZaPAFPJXEg4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=0nF1XD0wxitMEM03M9B4ZQ==:117 X-AUTH: mrabarnett:2500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 03:08:31 +0000 From: MRAB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Shebang line on Windows? References: <512B63BC.6090600@davea.name> <512B9CF4.3070604@gmail.com> <512c0749$0$29998$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <512C1908.5050507@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <512C1908.5050507@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: python-list@python.org List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1361848114 news.xs4all.nl 6843 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34514 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:39924 On 2013-02-26 02:08, Michael Torrie wrote: > On 02/25/2013 05:52 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> Nobody is asking anyone to support "every Windows wart out there". >> Windows-style line separators are not a wart, it is a convention used by >> many, many tools, operating systems, data formats (e.g. email), etc. It >> is an old, old convention, going back to teletype days and so predating >> not just Windows but also Unix. So in fact it is *Unix* that broke the >> convention, and Unix line separators which is the "wart" (or at least a >> regression). > > That's really interesting. I didn't know that before. It does make > sense. As much as I love unix, it really originated as a hack in many > senses. With that in mind I think Linux should allow a trailing CR in > the shebang line, even if other unix OS's don't. Of course it's a minor > thing, and there are ways of dealing with it. > > This is a reminder to me how much we Linux users look at Windows as a > quaint anomaly with it's apparently backwards ways of doing things (like > backslash directory separators, like CP/M did), but forget it is still > the dominant platform out there for general purpose computing. So it > really could be argued that Linux indeed is the backward OS when it > comes to these kind of incompatibilities (though I still think I like it > better!) > That reminds me of the time I was making PPD (PostScript Printer Description) files. They worked on both Windows and MacOS. Then Apple released MacOS X, which complained when they were installed. It turned out that MacOS X didn't like the line endings. It insisted on CR only, despite the fact that the PPD specification said that the line endings could be CR, LF, or CR/LF, and that they had followed the specification previously!