Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!news.ecp.fr!feeder1.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!194.109.133.87.MISMATCH!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.028 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.94; '*S*': 0.00; 'correct.': 0.07; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subset': 0.09; 'wrote': 0.14; '(a.k.a.': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'solution.': 0.20; 'seems': 0.21; 'error': 0.23; 'refers': 0.24; 'defined': 0.27; 'values': 0.27; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'url:wiki': 0.31; 'url:wikipedia': 0.31; 'sense': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'possible': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'minimum': 0.38; 'initially': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'called': 0.40; 'according': 0.40; 'completed': 0.61; 'numbers': 0.61; 'different': 0.65; 'talking': 0.65; 'book.': 0.68; 'frank': 0.68; 'trial': 0.83; 'partially': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: "Frank Millman" Subject: Re: Sudoku solver Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 15:35:25 +0200 References: <87r3sdnw5t.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87fv8sndw1.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <551557B3.5090102@davea.name> X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 197.89.67.161 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.4657 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4913 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.19 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1427463342 news.xs4all.nl 2915 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:57214 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:88155 "Dave Angel" wrote in message news:551557B3.5090102@davea.name... > > But now I have to disagree about "true Sudoku puzzle." As we said > earlier, it might make sense to say that puzzles that cannot be solved > that way are not reasonable ones to put in a human Sudoku book. But why > isn't it a "true Sudoku puzzle"? > It seems you are correct. According to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_Sudoku - A puzzle is a partially completed grid. The initially defined values are known as givens or clues. A proper puzzle has a single (unique) solution. A proper puzzle that can be solved without trial and error (guessing) is known as a satisfactory puzzle. An irreducible puzzle (a.k.a. minimum puzzle) is a proper puzzle from which no givens can be removed leaving it a proper puzzle (with a single solution). It is possible to construct minimum puzzles with different numbers of givens. The minimum number of givens refers to the minimum over all proper puzzles and identifies a subset of minimum puzzles. So what I am talking about is called a "satisfactory" puzzle, which is a subset of a "proper" puzzle. Frank