Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.067 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.87; '*S*': 0.00; 'say,': 0.05; 'socket': 0.05; '"no"': 0.07; 'tcp/ip': 0.09; "wouldn't": 0.11; 'server,': 0.15; '24,': 0.16; 'commonly,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'tcp': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'certainly': 0.17; 'windows': 0.19; 'question.': 0.20; 'received:209.85.214.174': 0.21; 'affected': 0.22; 'idea': 0.24; 'linux': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'wrote': 0.26; 'have,': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.28; "they'll": 0.29; 'definition': 0.29; 'server.': 0.32; 'asked': 0.33; 'point,': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'everyone': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'same.': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'subject: (': 0.36; 'operating': 0.36; 'does': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'mean': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:209.85.214': 0.39; 'google': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'networking': 0.60; 'subject:, ': 0.61; 'personally': 0.61; 'is.': 0.62; 'perfect': 0.63; 'carried': 0.65; 'cisco': 0.65; 'jul': 0.65; 'search,': 0.65; 'subject:Data': 0.65; 'products': 0.70; 'connection.': 0.75; 'everything.': 0.84; 'rip': 0.84; 'subject:skip:S 10': 0.84; '"how': 0.91; 'rusi': 0.91; 'tomorrow': 0.96 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=pFpezkbEZnYYekUD7bqkgPE4q05DXQUF32eHAdHyPoU=; b=B420TzqSkCu84ItdH7PeOSTebPxTVUa3hXHD9fB3DkUPTJZ9Bonwn9TwEYEIs6ZDzn uh9jp1u8xdkhE/0mjOYu+IRQkgD4tdT5vzRV/lKoFfTaMp8dt38P/A/9+bjEXkXBLzEw 36A9602++CLv7czYUSc8rF9JF2MKW3BmMYK7TyPG3Kb3ObvAaz5IdutHyrLls3meJ5/a 4S17Azn5r6dqZs5c8Nzi5tuiIK8gQmNsyTn7NLXZbBfASL4Xjd5MemqRS2wGQWdYcPbW LTKJZr3WQEdF1ZJuTnK/cicOQGhuvki1b7kVXPfp4n9j4329dHmvbZt7uLfCKSoMWe1t 0J0A== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <30cde2cd-ee38-4b54-87cc-5c0a79e9f1c6@googlegroups.com> <500dfaba$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 14:28:53 +1000 Subject: Re: Freedom and Data (was Gender, Representativeness and Reputation in StackOverflow) From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1343104137 news.xs4all.nl 6927 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60021 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:25948 On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:56 PM, rusi wrote: > "How many of you use Linux?" I ask. The awkwardness is in the definition of the question. Many of the products that I buy will have, at some point, been carried by a truck, but I would answer "No" if someone asked me if I use a truck. Would you say that you "use", say, Windows 2000? Do you even *know* if any of the web sites you use are built on it? What about Cisco Router, Model ? I personally have no idea what networking hardware my ISPs use, nor should I care. When I do a Google search, I don't "use" their Linux; I use only the TCP/IP socket connection. If they were to rip out Linux tomorrow and put in a perfect replacement that they wrote in-house, I wouldn't know and, to be honest, wouldn't care. In the same way, they don't care if I write my own web server; they'll crawl the documents just the same. Doesn't mean they "use" my custom web server, and certainly doesn't mean that everyone who does a search that's affected by my content has "used" that server. > Their true platform is the Internet. Indeed it is. Operating system means nothing; IP transmissions mean everything. Your platform is a TCP socket (or, less commonly, a stream of UDP or other packets). ChrisA