Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.018 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; '(at': 0.03; 'encouraging': 0.07; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; 'value.': 0.15; 'better?': 0.16; 'least,': 0.16; 'make,': 0.16; 'to:addr:pearwood.info': 0.16; 'to:addr:steve+comp.lang.python': 0.16; "to:name:steven d'aprano": 0.16; 'mon,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'donated': 0.17; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'authors': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; "d'aprano": 0.29; 'received:209.85.213.174': 0.29; 'received:mail- yx0-f174.google.com': 0.29; 'steven': 0.29; 'related': 0.30; 'point': 0.31; 'aside': 0.32; 'could': 0.32; 'knowledge': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'so,': 0.35; 'doing': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'scientific': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'why': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'data': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'valuable': 0.60; 'subject:, ': 0.61; 'free': 0.61; 'leaving': 0.62; 'jul': 0.65; 'attention': 0.75; 'papers': 0.78; 'judgement': 0.84; 'subject:skip:S 10': 0.84; 'terrible': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=0jynSJ7PE9LFuROBT95UxYlbnFHE2b3sMqfeOuwO01c=; b=DL+8vqSEPIrXxG6sFp+OZ6ZKKM14dJC3xDYy9seVhwwDpqfnuvi4p0hcdUbCw/Enlu 4xtVOL8cIedkRlTd55rhQF7W8gsxbhWnvu6s0Iom62eDBihtCxoSdohPtQe8a3xjoTvY P/pw9qHBvVf6o8xwxzFq5u147HsIH5raQxtbUB+vL5PYzQut6qz6TwH6yo0CXLYFMJ04 ev8lgmga89PqGQaiKIpW4pV+R4DFeBHVTDkb74LheyTRRj0w9BIN4uXBvoeiQE/Ye30U LMxvSY5X9KrpnKHRFA5wUPBtOCfkr46gbtj/cH4XYnYCoAjp4ra7R5gT0gNqpUhi86P8 nsSg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <500dfaba$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <30cde2cd-ee38-4b54-87cc-5c0a79e9f1c6@googlegroups.com> <500dfaba$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> From: Devin Jeanpierre Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:51:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Gender, Representativeness and Reputation in StackOverflow To: "Steven D'Aprano" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1343098310 news.xs4all.nl 6847 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:44980 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:25945 On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> Leaving aside the point that this is not directly related to Python, my >> opinion is that if the authors will not make past and future papers >> freely available, not even an abstract, they should not ask for valuable >> free data from freely donated time. > > Well of course it is your time and your judgement to make, but in my > opinion even non-free scientific knowledge is better than ignorance. When people boycott a product, it isn't because not having the product is better than having the product. That's clearly untrue: despite the reasons for the boycott, the product has some value. They boycott it because by doing so, they can get something better than or -- they can get . (At least, in theory :) Why settle for a terrible situation, when we could be encouraging people to do better? /me has been paying too much attention to the Elsevier boycott -- Devin