Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder7.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.010 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'advice.': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:into': 0.09; 'tismer': 0.09; 'worse': 0.09; 'contribute': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'suggest': 0.14; 'mostly': 0.14; 'question.': 0.14; 'behaviour.': 0.16; 'ignoring': 0.16; 'justified': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'sadly': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'help.': 0.21; '>>>': 0.22; 'programming': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'helpful': 0.24; 'task': 0.26; 'second': 0.26; 'least': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints- To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'getting': 0.31; '>>>>': 0.31; 'subject:Database': 0.31; 'yes.': 0.31; 'this.': 0.32; 'alone': 0.33; 'agree': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'behind': 0.37; 'too': 0.37; 'christian': 0.38; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'expect': 0.39; '12,': 0.39; 'bad': 0.39; 'help,': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'tell': 0.60; 'world.': 0.61; 'making': 0.63; 'kind': 0.63; 'email addr:yahoo.com': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'taking': 0.65; 'here': 0.66; 'news': 0.67; '100%': 0.77; 'genuine': 0.78; 'atmosphere': 0.84; 'batchelder': 0.84; 'brick': 0.84; 'pardon': 0.84; 'absolutely': 0.87; 'angry': 0.93; 'serious': 0.97; '2013': 0.98 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: To whoever hacked into my Database Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 23:25:46 +0000 References: <527a5f79$1@news.synserver.de> <1ac21a4c-179e-40aa-a552-85b5e2a74b3d@googlegroups.com> <528263D5.9030703@rece.vub.ac.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-92-24-215-29.ppp.as43234.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 In-Reply-To: <528263D5.9030703@rece.vub.ac.be> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1384298763 news.xs4all.nl 15870 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:59348 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:59259 On 12/11/2013 17:22, Antoon Pardon wrote: > Op 12-11-13 12:23, Ned Batchelder schreef: >> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 1:31:32 AM UTC-5, ru...@yahoo.com wrote: >>> On 11/11/2013 06:16 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote: >>>> Nikos has received a good deal of genuine advice. He has also been >>>> genuinely difficult to help. >>> >>> Yes. If he is too difficult to help without getting >>> angry because he won't do what you (generic) tell him >>> then perhaps a more constructive response is to stop >>> trying to help him rather than join the lynch mob that >>> is making the atmosphere here far worse (IMO) than >>> Nikos alone could. >> >> I absolutely agree with this. > > This ignores the contribution of the spoon feeders. The frustration > originates with seeing Nikos ignoring helpful advices and repeating > the same question. So stop trying to help, doesn't deminish the > frustration in a significant way as long as the spoon feeders continue > to motivate Nikos in this kind of behaviour. > > As long as the spoon feeders are allowed to contribute to the frustration > of other group members, you will have people who feel they are justified > in venting their frustration in the news group. And only taking the > venters to task while ignoring the spoon feeders will mostly result in > not be taken serious and will produce rather bad will than good will to > your goal. > I'm 100% behind you with this. Sadly the message just doesn't seem to get across so I suggest that we talk to brick walls, at least we'll not expect a response of any kind. -- Python is the second best programming language in the world. But the best has yet to be invented. Christian Tismer Mark Lawrence