Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!newsfeed.eweka.nl!eweka.nl!feeder3.eweka.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'root': 0.05; 'linux,': 0.07; 'postgresql': 0.07; 'subject:file': 0.07; 'skip:/ 10': 0.09; 'used.': 0.09; 'runs': 0.10; 'random': 0.14; 'bash,': 0.16; 'corrupt': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'happily': 0.16; 'subject:non': 0.16; 'subject:user': 0.16; 'applies': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'have:': 0.19; 'user.': 0.19; 'config': 0.24; 'instance,': 0.24; 'login': 0.25; 'options': 0.25; 'this:': 0.26; 'primary': 0.26; 'somewhere': 0.26; 'gets': 0.27; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'expanding': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'that.': 0.31; 'too.': 0.31; 'url:wiki': 0.31; '(my': 0.31; 'url:wikipedia': 0.31; 'stuff': 0.32; 'running': 0.33; 'maybe': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'common': 0.35; 'created': 0.35; 'received:209.85.220': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'url:org': 0.36; 'wrong': 0.37; 'application': 0.37; 'operating': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'represent': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'files': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'extremely': 0.39; 'itself': 0.39; 'skip:. 10': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'system.': 0.39; 'users': 0.40; "you'll": 0.62; 'different': 0.65; 'close': 0.67; 'home': 0.69; 'user,': 0.69; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rM60yo6YR11YIryf8lHQ7AsKlUQ4eJ2kDk0enl/1O74=; b=GrCZ4PWB/5Bwt4Lqd6wEDl1UbhiGWktYpLD0b09QM3D9IRP6UBZwxYVvqIvEYfKtO0 dtpnJ9XPilOjItsSSdjjLosc9IjQuXgCteEL5oMFVkQksyuC16ynw6KUywNdZxNMEQFv 8n2v9gr8/bVHIRU/6uHbiTsyrllMZOFCqSjDtvXwD4bT2jcbRK/peKVuCplVDgBMsZp5 caXmQ7y7zcyIlWJ8vmi0YLB+6TUOP5GapVJwATM43NY2WV+Zman/VZW8HiHc0LsXlUON h93XpQTiZdje4/yxBajrcrfJQdfpA6Uy/dFi4/J7G3+2Q43mGr+aCreifQMNYBjwMfvs 0Esg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.65.238 with SMTP id a14mr8824475vdt.24.1370011333304; Fri, 31 May 2013 07:42:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <042qt.10122$tu1.2940@fx20.am4> References: <0e688580-c0fb-4caf-8fb1-f622b2c7bcb5@googlegroups.com> <4fc3af47-2dc4-4de1-9479-53741215c3a2@googlegroups.com> <042qt.10122$tu1.2940@fx20.am4> Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 00:42:13 +1000 Subject: Re: Create a file in /etc/ as a non-root user From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1370011335 news.xs4all.nl 15908 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:35521 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:46603 On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Alister wrote: > /etc is used to store configuration files for the operating system & if > you inadvertently corrupt the wrong one then you could kill the system. Expanding on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard The FHS applies to Linux, but you'll find it close to what other Unix-like OSes use too. It's extremely common to *read* config files from directories like /etc, but to require root privileges to edit them. If you need to store data files for some application that runs as your own user, one good place is a dot-file or directory in your home directory - for instance, I have: /home/rosuav/.wine/ /home/rosuav/.bash_history /home/rosuav/.ssh/ /home/rosuav/.SciTE.session and many more. All of these are happily read/written by processes running under the user 'rosuav' (my primary login user). If a different user fires up bash, a different .bash_history will be used. This system works well for users that represent humans. The other type of user is the one that, well, doesn't represent a human :) Figuring out where they can store files is a bit harder. PostgreSQL gets itself a directory somewhere - maybe /opt/postgresql, maybe /var/lib/postgresql - and restricts itself to that. But the directory is created by root and then handed over (chowned) to the other user. Both these options work well; random processes editing stuff in /etc doesn't :) ChrisA