Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.012 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'languages,': 0.04; '(even': 0.05; 'python': 0.09; 'english,': 0.09; 'supported.': 0.09; 'unicode,': 0.09; 'dec': 0.15; 'folks': 0.15; 'identifiers.': 0.16; 'letters.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'jan': 0.18; 'variable': 0.20; '3.2': 0.22; 'planned': 0.22; 'script': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.26; '>>>>': 0.29; 'exclude': 0.29; 'this.': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'code': 0.31; 'accessible': 0.33; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.33; 'everyone': 0.33; "can't": 0.34; 'similar': 0.35; 'next': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'display': 0.36; 'why': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'sure': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'skip:" 10': 0.40; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'stay': 0.61; 'more': 0.63; 'french': 0.64; 'dear': 0.66; 'header:Reply-To:1': 0.68; 'reply-to:no real name:2**0': 0.72; 'subjectcharset:utf-8': 0.72; 'foreign': 0.72; 'soon.': 0.73; 'hate': 0.93 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:29:23 +0300 From: Jan Riechers User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: the meaning of =?UTF-8?B?csOvwr7igKIuLi4uLi4uw6/Cvg==?= References: <500d0632$0$1504$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: janpeterr@freenet.de List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1343068332 news.xs4all.nl 6949 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60335 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:25913 On 23.07.2012 16:55, Henrik Faber wrote: > On 23.07.2012 15:52, Henrik Faber wrote: > >> but I would hate for >> Python to include them into identifiers. Then again, I'm pretty sure >> this is not planned anytime soon. > > Dear Lord. > > Python 3.2 (r32:88445, Dec 8 2011, 15:26:58) > [GCC 4.5.2] on linux2 > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>>> fööbär = 3 >>>> fööbär > 3 > > I didn't know this. How awful. > > Regards, > Johannes > I can't understand at all why this (even as German) is supported. Programs and developments, and in particular Python, should not only be accessible but also understandable by everyone - meaning that I don't exclude folks by starting to write my code in Esperanto letters. Otherwise the next thing one might working on is a script normalizer which Engli-fies foreign variable names... similar to Py2to3. Outside for display usage it has a right place to make usage of Unicode, like for French with all the accents Danish, Swedish and other languages, but some "old"-standards should stay in place, meaning to use English, so it stays accessible and understandable. Jan