Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'python,': 0.02; 'compiler': 0.05; 'context': 0.05; 'c++,': 0.07; 'continuation': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'any.': 0.09; 'backslash': 0.09; 'unexpected': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; '2.7': 0.13; 'aug': 0.13; '(#1,': 0.16; '1.5.2': 0.16; 'amsterdam': 0.16; 'backslash,': 0.16; 'next.': 0.16; 'oct': 0.16; 'syntaxerror:': 0.16; 'to:addr:pearwood.info': 0.16; 'to:addr:steve+comp.lang.python': 0.16; "to:name:steven d'aprano": 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'thu,': 0.17; '"",': 0.22; 'visible': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'statement': 0.23; "i've": 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'tried': 0.25; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'wonder': 0.27; 'c++': 0.27; 'errors.': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.28; 'went': 0.28; '>>>>': 0.29; 'accidentally': 0.29; "d'aprano": 0.29; 'diagnose': 0.29; 'steven': 0.29; 'whitespace': 0.29; 'character': 0.29; 'probably': 0.29; 'usually': 0.30; 'file': 0.32; 'avoiding': 0.33; 'problem,': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.35; 'continue': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'characters': 0.36; 'totally': 0.36; 'possible': 0.37; 'editor': 0.37; 'quite': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'easier': 0.38; 'received:192': 0.39; 'where': 0.40; 'received:192.168': 0.40; 'subject:-': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'back': 0.62; 'truly': 0.62; 'hear': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'header:Reply- To:1': 0.68; 'received:74.208': 0.71; 'reply-to:no real name:2**0': 0.72; 'habit': 0.91; 'angel': 0.93 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 22:00:55 -0400 From: Dave Angel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120912 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steven D'Aprano Subject: Re: A desperate lunge for on-topic-ness References: <50802B5B.6040902@cs.wisc.edu> <5080aadf$0$29971$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: <5080aadf$0$29971$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:YtPM9DYtUpyiObq4L7ZwDhDYNWQs+zuTKwN3ofVQX6U t4yvbxCdr91Sypn0NkvUYDitLNsgHtW3AovxqZe83LxRUJdu6H gt3vyKU4wAK1VeEHRclAxSvzbSJY4f9Sc6kRH8JNWRLFGAKBGN YFYVZikxO6RGWyRWiuNXqRjlezlX8odBpC6OZ7tCvQVBdR+TLK P7GaIKkXrly0esmsT4zRVXcXzBb6r+g0pbViFaldi0CMEdpyGC cnJVTnQjH43OosrPiZp05hY9VsvZ75Tb3kUsX9kfe0Em9wpYPU y5wEOG/TgUONoQaWJzUyRFd2T6zul2ryR4ruLJCZdHup34I2g= = Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: d@davea.name List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1350612076 news.xs4all.nl 6970 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:47540 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:31707 On 10/18/2012 09:20 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:47:48 -0400, Dave Angel wrote: > >> I never use the backslash at end-of-line to continue a statement to the >> next. Not only is it a readability problem, but if your editor doesn't >> have visible spaces, you can accidentally have whitespace after the >> backslash, and wonder what went wrong. > What, you don't read the SyntaxError that you will invariably get? > > > # Python 2.7 and 3.3: > > py> x = 42 + \ > File "", line 1 > x = 42 + \ > ^ > SyntaxError: unexpected character after line continuation character > > > > Even if you go back to truly ancient Python 1.5: > > [steve@ando ~]$ python1.5 > Python 1.5.2 (#1, Aug 27 2012, 09:09:18) [GCC 4.1.2 20080704 (Red Hat > 4.1.2-52)] on linux2 > Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam >>>> x = 42 + \ > File "", line 1 > x = 42 + \ > ^ > SyntaxError: invalid token > > > Honestly, it's not that hard to diagnose line continuation errors. It's > probably easier to diagnose them than to diagnose missing parentheses. > > The more I hear people dissing line continuation backslashes, the more I > want to use them everywhere. The context was both C++ and python, and I got into the habit of avoiding the continuation characters in C++, where the compiler usually has a totally stupid error, if any. it's been so long since I've used them, it's quite possible I never tried it in python. -- DaveA