Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.034 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.93; '*S*': 0.00; 'explicitly': 0.15; 'abusing': 0.16; 'distinction': 0.16; 'etc?': 0.16; 'from:addr:timgolden.me.uk': 0.16; 'from:name:tim golden': 0.16; 'gmane': 0.16; 'message-id:@timgolden.me.uk': 0.16; 'mirror.': 0.16; 'received:74.55.86': 0.16; 'received:74.55.86.74': 0.16; 'received:smtp.webfaction.com': 0.16; 'received:webfaction.com': 0.16; 'sadly': 0.16; 'tjg': 0.16; 'usenet': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'all,': 0.20; 'first,': 0.20; 'gateway': 0.22; 'strict': 0.22; "i've": 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'idea': 0.26; 'subject:list': 0.28; 'url:mailman': 0.31; 'url:python': 0.33; 'class': 0.33; 'surprised': 0.33; 'another': 0.34; 'subject:?': 0.34; 'google': 0.34; 'needed': 0.34; 'url:listinfo': 0.35; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.35; 'really': 0.35; 'list': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'list,': 0.36; '(and': 0.36; 'quite': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'thought': 0.37; 'list.': 0.37; 'mailing': 0.38; 'is,': 0.38; 'thank': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:192': 0.39; 'some': 0.40; 'even': 0.61; 'times': 0.61; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'python-list': 0.66; 'god': 0.67; 'believe': 0.67; 'from:addr:mail': 0.70; 'quality': 0.72; 'cecil': 0.84; 'citizens.': 0.84; 'westerhof': 0.84 Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2015 14:57:55 +0100 From: Tim Golden User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Is it a newsgroup or a list? References: <87k2vgowco.fsf@Equus.decebal.nl> <87fv64orly.fsf@Equus.decebal.nl> <1433676052.3089941.288915321.4982B8F8@webmail.messagingengine.com> In-Reply-To: <1433676052.3089941.288915321.4982B8F8@webmail.messagingengine.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1433685481 news.xs4all.nl 2874 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:56690 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:92254 On 07/06/2015 12:20, random832@fastmail.us wrote: > On Sun, Jun 7, 2015, at 05:06, Luca Menegotto wrote: >> Il 07/06/2015 10:22, Cecil Westerhof ha scritto: >> > That only times the function. I explicitly mentioned I want both the >> > needed time AND the output. >> > >> > Sadly the quality of the answers on this list is going down.... >> >> First of all, thank God it's a newsgroup, not a list. > ... >> -- >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > > I've always thought of this as a list that is mirrored to a newsgroup, > not a newsgroup that is mirrored to a list. What is the true nature of > python-list (and others such as python-ideas)? What is it primarily, > what was it first, etc? > It's both: they're mirrored to each other and I consider both to be first class citizens. In strict chronology I believe comp.lang.python existed first, but python-list has been around for long enough that the distinction now is really quite academic. I would not be surprised to find that a fair majority of people told off on this list for abusing newsgroup etiquette in one way or another not only have no idea that this is (also) a newsgroup but don't even know what a newsgroup *is*. They may also not know that it's a mailing list, nor what that is, because they're coming via Google Groups -- which uses the Usenet gateway -- or through gmane -- which comes in through the mailing list -- or some other web mirror. TJG