Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.076 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.85; '*S*': 0.00; 'scripts': 0.03; 'win32': 0.03; 'causing': 0.04; 'languages.': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'linux,': 0.07; 'curve': 0.09; 'exit': 0.09; 'scripting': 0.09; 'skip:/ 10': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'stored': 0.12; 'programs.': 0.14; 'windows': 0.15; 'amiga': 0.16; 'bash,': 0.16; 'daemons': 0.16; 'mapped': 0.16; 'no...': 0.16; 'portable': 0.16; 'soap,': 0.16; 'steep': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'code.': 0.18; 'library': 0.18; 'seems': 0.21; '(the': 0.22; 'machine': 0.22; 'memory': 0.22; 'days,': 0.24; 'cheers,': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'extension': 0.26; 'skip:" 20': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'feature': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'direction': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'lines': 0.31; 'ctypes': 0.31; 'libraries': 0.31; 'linux.': 0.31; 'sep': 0.31; 'stuff': 0.32; 'quite': 0.32; 'running': 0.33; 'url:non-standard http port': 0.33; 'maybe': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'received:66': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'up!': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; 'thanks': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'easy': 0.60; 'dangerous': 0.60; 'subject:"': 0.60; 'received:unknown': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'times': 0.62; 'header :Message-Id:1': 0.63; 'real': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'charset:windows-1256': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'chance': 0.65; 'talking': 0.65; 'within': 0.65; 'here': 0.66; 'minutes': 0.67; 'production': 0.68; 'sunday': 0.68; 'request.': 0.70; 'commercial': 0.71; 'surprise': 0.74; 'million': 0.74; 'hoping': 0.75; 'received:204': 0.75; 'day': 0.76; 'lack': 0.78; 'hand': 0.80; 'citizens.': 0.84; 'coupled': 0.84; 'dozens': 0.84; 'manual,': 0.84; 'ram,': 0.84; 'subject:before': 0.84; 'subject:know': 0.84; 'subject:saying': 0.84; 'taken.': 0.84; 'aging': 0.91; 'boxes': 0.91; 'hate': 0.91; 'hands': 0.96; '2013': 0.98 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 X-Spam-Level: From: Gene Heskett To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: What minimum should a person know before saying "I know Python" Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:48:04 -0400 References: <31df03f7-2b81-483a-9242-b83ba4559b1a@googlegroups.com> <201309221455.24880.gheskett@wdtv.com> In-Reply-To: <201309221455.24880.gheskett@wdtv.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 71 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1379879289 news.xs4all.nl 15941 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:40758 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:54597 On Sunday 22 September 2013 15:46:52 Gene Heskett did opine: > On Sunday 22 September 2013 14:49:21 Dennis Lee Bieber did opine: > > On Sat, 21 Sep 2013 02:22:59 -0400, Gene Heskett > > > > declaimed the following: > > >I was quite pleased to see that there was a Rexx/Regina for linux, > > >and for about 10 minutes thought I could make use of the library of > > >ARexx code Jim & I had carved up and had running on the amiga, but > > >was very disappointed to see that Regina wasn't coupled to the os > > >itself in any way, causing our scripts to barf and exit within the > > >first 3 or 4 lines of code. > > > > > No surprise given the lack of real /interactive/ IPC in Windows and > > > > Linux. A version of REXX running on (Open)VMS might have a chance -- > > as VMS Mailboxes were a (protected memory equivalent) of Amiga > > message ports... So a means of "address other_application" could be > > mapped to opening "other_application_port". > > > > I vaguely recall once using the "advanced" calls from the back of > > the > > > manual, and having multiple ARexx scripts talking to each other via > > "address other_script" > > We did that dozens of times a day on every machine we owned, which at > the time was about just in the commercial production rooms. s/about just/about 6 just/g > > >I've seen python doing some heady stuff in the last 5 years, but the > > >learning curve is pretty steep for my now aging wet ram, which will > > >be 79 years old in a few days, so the scripting language here at the > > >Heskett Ranchette is bash, and there is quite a boatload of that > > >running as background daemons right now. So I lurk, reading what > > >goes by, hoping I'll learn enough python from osmosis to get > > >comfortable with it. From all indications, it is todays "ARexx" of > > >scripting languages. > > > > > Having been spoiled by ARexx myself... No... Python will never be > > > > /that/... Even subprocess.popen() doesn't allow for the easy control > > of other programs. One is stuck with M$ COM (the win32 extension > > library or, more portable maybe [if the libraries are ported] ctypes > > to do what "address ..." did in ARexx. > > Then it seems to me that work in the direction should be an active > feature request. Unforch, as I've said before, I'm rowing this barge > with a toothpick for an oar. :) > > I would be interesting to see if the "bait" is taken. :) > > Thanks Dennis. > > Cheers, Gene Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: should be up! Hate is like acid. 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