Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.142 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.72; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'test,': 0.07; 'measure': 0.09; 'recruiters': 0.09; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.11; 'python': 0.11; 'sections': 0.14; '11:09': 0.16; 'candidates.': 0.16; 'colon.': 0.16; 'entirely.': 0.16; 'helps.': 0.16; 'perceived': 0.16; 'think.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'thu,': 0.19; 'email addr:gmail.com>': 0.22; 'previously': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'question': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'this:': 0.26; 'post': 0.26; 'developing': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'am,': 0.29; 'skills.': 0.29; 'talented': 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'url:mailman': 0.30; 'bunch': 0.31; 'languages': 0.32; "we're": 0.32; 'run': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.33; 'level.': 0.33; 'sense': 0.34; "i'd": 0.34; 'subject:with': 0.35; "can't": 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'url:listinfo': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; 'thanks': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'example,': 0.37; 'level': 0.37; 'area': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'implement': 0.38; 'checks': 0.38; 'nov': 0.38; 'list,': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'skip:& 20': 0.39; 'users': 0.40; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'hope': 0.61; 'deliver': 0.61; 'excited': 0.61; 'new': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'high': 0.63; 'hear': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'love': 0.65; 'finally': 0.65; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'believe': 0.68; 'difficulty': 0.68; 'skill': 0.68; 'skip:w 30': 0.69; 'quality': 0.72; 'subject:your': 0.76; 'topic,': 0.81; 'again!': 0.84; 'assessments': 0.84; 'incentives': 0.84; 'semi': 0.84; 'taken.': 0.84; 'was:': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=Kbo77neHvxI5EJPMAXVpwgUE5BlwdpNSbPXnZY4fQvc=; b=0gfh3O0l6f0XvnzxAIwXW/CHnnK8adUSkPq6xEUABdeD/+A/RVhvxjVUrLLSNJ1iEg PJhU8kV4mTsm4DfFMU3mR/OMn8der5JlYwu5GZDA873x7oseHu6PKYXTmJFyReQaSM+h ibrXrjY5/OIoj6OEZ0MbOEklg2F1bm6E7dzhsUBqaLicPShZOon2FIKlSiTagrklhzAj StoWp71eQmEtbWH/zYmZhXdlqMpSUl6fYc+0ljVLAbkH0aWcNVtHoJOzMF0Jj5B3ldK0 hJ3sJn6lUJq/xTFY/rk2ui0JfeQ9uN+pS0ymCK1JKq5FQURdz5ysbdu5TJ/6ePyok4Z8 Y7vw== X-Received: by 10.224.57.68 with SMTP id b4mr60876011qah.63.1384276858834; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:20:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <82328ec8-7178-4a17-abfe-13d444fab9cf@googlegroups.com> From: Nathaniel Sokoll-Ward Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:20:38 -0800 Subject: Re: Show off your Python chops and compete with others To: Omar Abou Mrad Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013cba287121fa04eafe12b3 Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 118 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1384276862 news.xs4all.nl 15875 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55378 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:59223 --089e013cba287121fa04eafe12b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Omar, Thanks for the suggestions! Your point about question difficulty is well taken. We previously organized questions into sections based on difficulty or topic, but have been experimenting with doing away with sections entirely. We are developing a way to intelligently deliver questions to a user based on their perceived skill level. You're right that our checks can be defeated with sneakiness, but in the end we believe that it makes more sense to implement incentives to encourage people to post high quality answers, than to build full-proof validation tools. Thanks again! On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Omar Abou Mrad wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 2:00 AM, Nathaniel Sokoll-Ward < > nathanielsokollward@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thought this group would appreciate this: >> www.metabright.com/challenges/python >> >> MetaBright makes skill assessments to measure how talented people are at >> different skills. And recruiters use MetaBright to find outrageously >> skilled job candidates. >> >> Python is a new area of expertise for us. We make "Challenges" for a >> bunch of languages and we're excited to finally have Python released. Give >> it a shot -- I'd love to hear what you think. >> -- >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > > > Nathaniel, > > You may want to classify the questions under some weight. You can't really > have a level 6 question about semi colon. > > Also, when the boss questions are being computed, you should run more than > the 'example' given as a test, otherwise users can just cheat. For example, > I think one of the 'Boss' question was return the first 3 digits of PI as a > list, all i did was: > > return [3,1,4] > > Hope this helps. > > --089e013cba287121fa04eafe12b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Omar,

Thanks for the suggestions!=A0=

Your point about question difficulty is well take= n. We previously organized questions into sections based on difficulty or t= opic, but have been experimenting with doing away with sections entirely. W= e are developing a way to intelligently deliver questions to a user based o= n their perceived skill level.

You're right that our checks can be defeated with s= neakiness, but in the end we believe that it makes more sense to implement = incentives to encourage people to post high quality answers, than to build = full-proof validation tools.

Thanks again!

On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Omar Abou = Mrad <omar.aboumrad@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 2:00 AM, Nathaniel So= koll-Ward <nathanielsokollward@gmail.com> wrote:=
Thought this group would appreciate this: www= .metabright.com/challenges/python

MetaBright makes skill assessments to measure how talented people are at di= fferent skills. And recruiters use MetaBright to find outrageously skilled = job candidates.

Python is a new area of expertise for us. We make "Challenges" fo= r a bunch of languages and we're excited to finally have Python release= d. Give it a shot -- I'd love to hear what you think.
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https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Nathaniel,

You may want to classify the questions under some weight. You can'= t really have a level 6 question about semi colon.

Also, when the boss questions are being computed, you should run more than= the 'example' given as a test, otherwise users can just cheat. For= example, I think one of the 'Boss' question was return the first 3= digits of PI as a list, all i did was:

return [3,1,4]

Hope this helps= .


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