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Op 31-03-16 om 12:36 schreef Steven D'Aprano:
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 06:52 pm, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>
>> it is your burden to argue that problem.
> No it isn't. I don't have to do a thing.

If that is how you think about this, why do you contribute? I completly
understand if you are of the opinion that other priorities are more
important 

>  All I need to do is sit back and
> wait as this discussion peters off into nothing. The burden isn't on me to
> justify the status quo. The burden is on those who want to make this change
> to justify the change, because if you don't, the status quo stays exactly
> the same.
>
> And if you're brave enough to take to this Python-Ideas, let alone
> Python-Dev, the first question they'll ask is "What's your use-case?". And
> since you don't have one, this discussion will go nowhere.
>
> Oh, there might be a few hundred posts on the topic, from people
> bike-shedding it, but unless you convince the core developers, all the
> chattering in the world won't get you one nanometre closer to changing the
> behaviour of lists and dicts.
>
> So, Antoon, no, I don't have to justify a single thing. If you want this
> change, you have to justify why it should be done.
>
> Good luck with that.
>
>
>
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