Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'value,': 0.03; 'jeff': 0.04; 'attribute': 0.05; 'subject:Question': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'attribute.': 0.09; 'mutable': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'skip:b 70': 0.09; 'def': 0.10; 'language': 0.14; 'a()': 0.16; 'attributes,': 0.16; 'b()': 0.16; 'googling': 0.16; 'immutable,': 0.16; 'oct': 0.16; 'old-style': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subclasses.': 0.16; 'instance': 0.17; 'integer': 0.17; 'specify': 0.17; 'thu,': 0.17; 'define': 0.20; 'class.': 0.23; 'sets': 0.23; 'statement': 0.23; '(which': 0.26; 'creating': 0.26; 'common': 0.26; '(see': 0.27; '[1]': 0.27; 'skip:b 30': 0.27; '[2]': 0.27; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.28; 'all.': 0.28; 'trouble': 0.28; 'skip:_ 10': 0.29; 'class': 0.29; 'classes': 0.30; 'print': 0.32; 'defining': 0.33; 'url:home': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'code:': 0.33; 'thanks': 0.34; 'skip:a 70': 0.35; 'received:org': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'charset:us- ascii': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'nothing': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'skip:" 10': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'help': 0.40; 'skip:a 30': 0.60; 'different': 0.63; 'behavior': 0.64; 'potentially': 0.66; 'everybody': 0.69; 'dennis': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Dennis Lee Bieber Subject: Re: Inheritance Question Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:28:37 -0400 Organization: > Bestiaria Support Staff < References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-76-249-16-250.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.3/32.846 X-No-Archive: YES X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 125 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1350584926 news.xs4all.nl 6885 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:41352 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:31670 On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 10:10:23 -0400, Jeff Jeffries declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general: > Hello everybody > > When I set "AttributeChanges" in my example, it sets the same value for all > other subclasses. Can someone help me with what the name of this behavior > is (mutable class global?) ? .... I don't know any keywords... having > trouble googling it > > Thanks in advance, > """python 2.7""" > > class ABMixin: Since you specify Python 2.7, this is defining an OLD-style class. I don't know how well using old-style classes work when subclassed against a new style class (which the following two are, using "object". class ABMixin(object): > AttributeChanges = [1] > AttributeDontChangeImmutable = 1 These two define classwide attributes, common to all. > def __init__(self): > self.AttributeDontChange = [1] > > class A(object,ABMixin): You don't need "object" on these if you derive ABMixin from "object" (see section 3.3 of the language reference manual) > def __init__(self): > ABMixin.__init__(self) > > class B(object,ABMixin): > def __init__(self): > ABMixin.__init__(self) > > a = A() > b = B() > > print a.AttributeChanges,a.AttributeDontChange,a.AttributeDontChangeImmutable > print b.AttributeChanges,b.AttributeDontChange,b.AttributeDontChangeImmutable > > a.AttributeChanges[0] = 2 > a.AttributeDontChange[0] = 2 > a.AttributeDontChangeImmutable = 2 In Python, it is the VALUE that is mutable or immutable, not the NAME. Nothing you do in Python will change an integer "1" into an integer "2"... But the name that started off attached to the 1 CAN be reattached to the 2 This statement is potentially not only rebinding the name to a different value, but in this case is actually creating a NEW instance attribute which shadows the class-wide attribute. > > print a.AttributeChanges,a.AttributeDontChange,a.AttributeDontChangeImmutable > print b.AttributeChanges,b.AttributeDontChange,b.AttributeDontChangeImmutable -=-=-=-=- """python 2.7""" class ABMixin(object): AttributeChanges = [1] AttributeDontChangeImmutable = 1 def __init__(self): self.AttributeDontChange = [1] class A(ABMixin): def __init__(self): ABMixin.__init__(self) class B(ABMixin): def __init__(self): ABMixin.__init__(self) a = A() b = B() print a.AttributeChanges,a.AttributeDontChange,a.AttributeDontChangeImmutable print b.AttributeChanges,b.AttributeDontChange,b.AttributeDontChangeImmutable a.AttributeChanges[0] = 2 a.AttributeDontChange[0] = 2 a.AttributeDontChangeImmutable = 2 print a.AttributeChanges,a.AttributeDontChange,a.AttributeDontChangeImmutable, A.AttributeDontChangeImmutable print b.AttributeChanges,b.AttributeDontChange,b.AttributeDontChangeImmutable, B.AttributeDontChangeImmutable print id(1), id(2) print id(a.AttributeDontChangeImmutable), id(A.AttributeDontChangeImmutable) print id(b.AttributeDontChangeImmutable), id(B.AttributeDontChangeImmutable) >pythonw -u "demo.py" [1] [1] 1 [1] [1] 1 [2] [2] 2 1 [2] [1] 1 1 10023248 10023236 10023236 10023248 10023248 10023248 >Exit code: 0 -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/