Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'scripts': 0.03; 'win32': 0.03; 'causing': 0.04; 'languages.': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'linux,': 0.07; 'curve': 0.09; 'exit': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'scripting': 0.09; 'skip:/ 10': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'programs.': 0.14; 'windows': 0.15; '>to': 0.16; 'amiga': 0.16; 'bash,': 0.16; 'daemons': 0.16; 'mapped': 0.16; 'message-id:@4ax.com': 0.16; 'no...': 0.16; 'portable': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'steep': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'code.': 0.18; 'library': 0.18; '(the': 0.22; 'memory': 0.22; 'comfortable': 0.22; 'days,': 0.24; 'url:home': 0.24; 'extension': 0.26; 'skip:" 20': 0.27; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'lines': 0.31; 'ctypes': 0.31; 'libraries': 0.31; 'linux.': 0.31; 'sep': 0.31; 'stuff': 0.32; 'quite': 0.32; 'running': 0.33; 'maybe': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'skip:> 10': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'received:76': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'itself': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'easy': 0.60; 'subject:"': 0.60; 'first': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'real': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'chance': 0.65; 'talking': 0.65; 'within': 0.65; 'here': 0.66; 'minutes': 0.67; 'surprise': 0.74; 'hoping': 0.75; 'lack': 0.78; 'coupled': 0.84; 'manual,': 0.84; 'ram,': 0.84; 'subject:before': 0.84; 'subject:know': 0.84; 'subject:saying': 0.84; 'aging': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Dennis Lee Bieber Subject: Re: What minimum should a person know before saying "I know Python" Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 12:44:04 -0400 Organization: IISS Elusive Unicorn References: <31df03f7-2b81-483a-9242-b83ba4559b1a@googlegroups.com> <3fa2d1ea-c873-43c3-b703-1e187e7bc6ce@googlegroups.com> <201309210222.59178.gheskett@wdtv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-76-249-21-213.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 X-No-Archive: YES X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1379868248 news.xs4all.nl 15995 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:47063 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:54590 On Sat, 21 Sep 2013 02:22:59 -0400, Gene Heskett declaimed the following: > >I was quite pleased to see that there was a Rexx/Regina for linux, and for >about 10 minutes thought I could make use of the library of ARexx code Jim >& I had carved up and had running on the amiga, but was very disappointed >to see that Regina wasn't coupled to the os itself in any way, causing our >scripts to barf and exit within the first 3 or 4 lines of code. > No surprise given the lack of real /interactive/ IPC in Windows and Linux. A version of REXX running on (Open)VMS might have a chance -- as VMS Mailboxes were a (protected memory equivalent) of Amiga message ports... So a means of "address other_application" could be mapped to opening "other_application_port". I vaguely recall once using the "advanced" calls from the back of the manual, and having multiple ARexx scripts talking to each other via "address other_script" > >I've seen python doing some heady stuff in the last 5 years, but the >learning curve is pretty steep for my now aging wet ram, which will be 79 >years old in a few days, so the scripting language here at the Heskett >Ranchette is bash, and there is quite a boatload of that running as >background daemons right now. So I lurk, reading what goes by, hoping I'll >learn enough python from osmosis to get comfortable with it. From all >indications, it is todays "ARexx" of scripting languages. > Having been spoiled by ARexx myself... No... Python will never be /that/... Even subprocess.popen() doesn't allow for the easy control of other programs. One is stuck with M$ COM (the win32 extension library or, more portable maybe [if the libraries are ported] ctypes to do what "address ..." did in ARexx. -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/