Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.028 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.94; '*S*': 0.00; '(even': 0.05; 'url:pipermail': 0.05; 'parsing': 0.07; 'thats': 0.07; 'ignoring': 0.09; 'likewise': 0.09; 'logic': 0.09; 'received:mail- qc0-f174.google.com': 0.09; 'subject:language': 0.09; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.10; 'thread': 0.11; 'subject:python': 0.11; '(assuming': 0.16; '(when': 0.16; 'buggy': 0.16; 'gently': 0.16; 'justified': 0.16; 'oct': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'alex': 0.17; 'thu,': 0.17; 'sorry,': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'tried': 0.25; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'url:wiki': 0.26; 'ago': 0.27; 'am,': 0.27; 'realize': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'subject:list': 0.28; 'trouble': 0.28; 'post': 0.28; 'behavior.': 0.29; 'clever': 0.29; 'end,': 0.29; 'helpful.': 0.29; 'steven': 0.29; 'url:wikipedia': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'point': 0.31; 'url:python': 0.32; 'suggestion': 0.32; 'could': 0.32; 'crazy': 0.33; 'zero': 0.33; 'everyone': 0.33; 'skip:d 20': 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'october': 0.37; 'does': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'received:209.85.216': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'mean': 0.38; 'talk': 0.38; 'url:en': 0.38; 'subject:-': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'networking': 0.60; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'most': 0.61; 'policy': 0.62; 'relatively': 0.62; 'love': 0.63; 'dont': 0.64; 'limited.': 0.64; 'gave': 0.65; 'engage': 0.65; 'talking': 0.66; 'wish': 0.70; 'asshole': 0.84; 'computers.': 0.84; 'etienne': 0.84; 'horrible': 0.84; 'individual.': 0.84; 'mind:': 0.84; 'misses': 0.84; 'say:': 0.84; 'universe': 0.84; 'admission': 0.91; 'rusi': 0.91; 'fight': 0.97 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=zJCMMGcpBaqq9YsqmVNRPFLLQkEam60btKgBAxcYPPs=; b=LmAynsbFG8gzIa46ISoB8fy4RTaairHdmmxLoK+1Pc6rYNj9iGb+ZbGEQ0sEfYtSuL 434BMWEKW92MYm61QGDJqhpooaviD2S+rfCXKbPvx1gfTByPMowxjvOVr+SsLgY11nE4 qGzBoFAGJmAzUokznPQHXAvqQfZEUHnOeexRYmLolkL+L3uvTC8iAUErzxbcmbganGTs 2emHxt/MzUQrKsXV8y7zokZS3NEdUIROZQfbL0u2phINJJFnzdDyNw+NS1tNaIm3CQuL PwN0H1vpa5ApIoFAvxEY/2otPNAgBP5o0ZfZ1z1ZiFTToqS44IQlERSlRNT6f1DkLNSg UuTw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2a5f106f-d343-4636-9349-8b2162208bea@y5g2000pbi.googlegroups.com> References: <77361fb4-a59a-45b0-85e2-95472aec3716@n7g2000pbj.googlegroups.com> <8b0ebc42-52f2-442d-aa92-12eff32b9d0e@v9g2000pbi.googlegroups.com> <2a5f106f-d343-4636-9349-8b2162208bea@y5g2000pbi.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 02:27:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Aggressive language on python-list From: David Hutto To: rusi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1350541649 news.xs4all.nl 6931 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:44961 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:31596 On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:19 AM, rusi wrote: > On Oct 18, 10:18 am, Zero Piraeus wrote: >> : >> >> On 18 October 2012 00:36, rusi wrote: >> >> > Unfortunately, I feel this whole discussion/thread has got derailed: >> > Zero you started this thread about aggressive behavior. It does not >> > seem to me that this was the case you were talking of, was it? >> >> Sorry, but I'm having trouble parsing that sentence. Could you rephrase it? > > I understood that your original post started after Etienne's outburst > against Steven. > David's outbursts are relatively harmless. > I tried to talk gently to him http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2012-September/631949.html > And then gave up http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2012-September/631950.html > > Not that I mind: People much wiser than we have expressed that war is > the most horrible thing in the universe and David is by his own > admission a war-damaged individual. > > If Steven chooses to engage him thats his call > If Alex chooses to fight with him thats his > I am betting that in the end, rurpy's suggestion -- Ignoring is the > best policy -- or Ben's -- Respond carefully, minimally and with > caution -- is what everyone will have to come to. > This does not mean I dont wish him well, just that I realize that the > sphere of my action and influence are intrinsically limited. > > And all this misses the point that you started this thread (I think) > with Etienne-Steven in mind not David-RestOfTheWorld. > > (Assuming this conjecture) I would like to say: > Etienne is not a 'dick' or a 'troll' just a human being with the same > buggy wetware that we all have whose logic goes: If you call me an > asshole (when justified) I'll call you can asshole (even if not). > Likewise Alex calling David racist may be justified but is not > helpful. > > IOW the robustness principle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robustness_principle > is as good for human networking as for computers. > > [BTW This was enunciated 2000 years ago by a clever chap: Love your > enemies; drive them crazy That only works if they're not already insane. Otherwise you're just prodding a cornered beast. ] -- Best Regards, David Hutto CEO: http://www.hitwebdevelopment.com