Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.086 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.83; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'permission,': 0.09; 'received:mail-qc0-f174.google.com': 0.09; 'subject:language': 0.09; 'thread,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; "wouldn't": 0.11; 'subject:python': 0.11; 'discussions': 0.15; 'amendment': 0.16; 'cool.': 0.16; 'oct': 0.16; 'owe': 0.16; 'to:addr:pearwood.info': 0.16; 'to:addr:steve+comp.lang.python': 0.16; "to:name:steven d'aprano": 0.16; 'worst': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'thu,': 0.17; 'obviously': 0.18; 'all,': 0.21; 'regardless': 0.21; 'either.': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'am,': 0.27; 'question': 0.27; 'focused': 0.27; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.28; 'subject:list': 0.28; "d'aprano": 0.29; 'image,': 0.29; 'steven': 0.29; 'this.': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'normally': 0.30; 'not.': 0.32; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'list': 0.35; 'stable': 0.35; 'doing': 0.35; 'sometimes': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'bad': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'quite': 0.37; 'rather': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'received:209.85.216': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'comment': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'things': 0.38; 'advice': 0.39; 'list,': 0.39; 'subject:-': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'think': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'days': 0.60; 'most': 0.61; 'real': 0.61; 'containing': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'kind': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'life,': 0.62; 'personal': 0.62; 'here': 0.65; 'become': 0.65; 'wanting': 0.65; 'reply': 0.66; 'middle': 0.66; 'life': 0.66; 'person.': 0.69; 'business': 0.70; 'walk': 0.71; 'opinions': 0.72; 'yourself': 0.77; 'ask,': 0.84; 'david,': 0.84; 'flame': 0.84; 'mate,': 0.84; 'off,': 0.84; 'crowded': 0.91; 'war.': 0.91; 'room,': 0.93; 'acknowledge': 0.95 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=jL0DQ9Itf1mzILwUzOoRi7WEjjF8l4chmqYOSJhjrhE=; b=DW7q3Hm/OZqRwBet9IkLIVQ0i3xkKvpU//3b/85pFy3/PcWGPVmzU00qqie+mBbnbF 7w0ikcjQBGiVkXj3FHc579cv0YTdt0zyl+QpBKTuNIhtxXEuDrjcZ3nJu0O2GFoq93w0 /FcCP5Tb16EqZkdB7OTxSi8RWbs0jqy1fZCIRQ5DVWCT0HKMIbVlMr3iJhxB1fDxrq1v 6VT4VEBCbHMvyDh/iuS9rEaekGEcXUOvxunphb1PIiM0K+ircpTAcBDvtzHRGApIcvKF mneNA5sXB+BgHiKBQkdG7q/8U0BWvkJ7D4pNTf1vxfhdU9JlwxCnxA6uyhwxnfU5B0Lx jeLw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <507f93d6$0$11093$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> References: <35b41895-45d9-4f2e-9285-2bb0c36fb2a6@googlegroups.com> <507f3c6c$0$6599$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <77361fb4-a59a-45b0-85e2-95472aec3716@n7g2000pbj.googlegroups.com> <8b0ebc42-52f2-442d-aa92-12eff32b9d0e@v9g2000pbi.googlegroups.com> <507f93d6$0$11093$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 01:43:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Aggressive language on python-list From: David Hutto To: "Steven D'Aprano" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 69 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1350538984 news.xs4all.nl 6844 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:60661 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:31592 On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:29 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > David, > > While I acknowledge and appreciate your efforts to be less aggressive on > this list, I think you have crossed a line by forwarding the contents of > an obviously personal email containing CLEARLY PRIVATE MATTERS to a > public list without permission, without even anonymising it. > I get that it was a in a thread, and we;'re always told to respond all, unless otherwise asked, and they didn't directly ask, so I responded back to the list like the etiquette dictates. > Not cool mate, not cool. > > The first amendment doesn't excuse this. You don't get to shout "Fire!" > in a crowded theatre either. That's an over exaggeration of whats going on. > > I think you owe Wu Wei, and Alex, apologies. But only for thinking that it's always reply all, and I do apologize, but they should have directly requested it in the email. If you follow the discussions here, again, it's always you should 'reply all'. > > Re-adding the list to a clearly Python-related question to the list is > marginally okay. (I normally wouldn't do it, but some people do.) Adding > the list to a personal comment is not. You know damn good and well opinions flutter like butterflies around here. > > And quite frankly, I sympathise with how hard your life has been, Don't, it's made me a better person to see the very worst people in life, be kind of a bad ass, and become better at being a stable person. It made me who I'm becoming, even if who I am now is just a transitional. but > this isn't your personal support group. There is such a thing as too much > sharing. It was mainly a business image, and wanting to revise myself, which I'm doing constantly. Most here are professionals, so I asked, and in the middle of a small flame war. > > My personal advice is that I think you need to take a break for a couple > of days and then come back focused on Python, rather than on defending > yourself against real or imagined slights. I'm not your dad and I'm not > sending you to your room, but sometimes a man has to know when it's best > to just walk away and let things cool off, regardless of who is right and > who is wrong. > I'm trying, but I do like to defend myself line for line. I can cool off, but can they lay off while I'm doing it, and do the same themselves? -- Best Regards, David Hutto CEO: http://www.hitwebdevelopment.com