Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.019 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'override': 0.07; 'icon': 0.09; 'received:openend.se': 0.09; 'received:theraft.openend.se': 0.09; 'tcl/tk': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; 'cc:addr:lac': 0.16; 'cc:addr:openend.se': 0.16; 'from:addr:lac': 0.16; 'from:addr:openend.se': 0.16; 'from:name:laura creighton': 0.16; 'message-id:@fido.openend.se': 0.16; 'nowadays': 0.16; 'received:89.233': 0.16; 'received:89.233.217': 0.16; 'received:89.233.217.133': 0.16; 'received:fido': 0.16; 'received:fido.openend.se': 0.16; 'ugly.': 0.16; 'laura': 0.18; 'linux,': 0.18; 'role.': 0.18; 'windows': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.21; 'cc:2**1': 0.22; 'produces': 0.22; 'stick': 0.22; 'tkinter': 0.22; '2015': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.24; 'linux': 0.26; 'raw': 0.27; 'least': 0.27; '+0200,': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.28; 'received:se': 0.29; 'cc:no real name:2**1': 0.29; 'that.': 0.30; 'work.': 0.30; 'fri,': 0.31; 'loading': 0.33; 'rule': 0.33; 'another': 0.34; 'expected': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'quite': 0.37; "didn't": 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.37; 'christian': 0.38; 'building': 0.38; 'thank': 0.39; 'why': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'simple': 0.61; 'default': 0.61; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.62; 'more': 0.62; 'spot': 0.63; 'you.': 0.64; 'programs,': 0.72; 'customers': 0.72; 'received:89': 0.80; '>you': 0.84; 'bitmap': 0.84; 'difference.': 0.84; 'gollwitzer': 0.84; 'subject:good': 0.84; 'subject:tool': 0.84; 'tkinter,': 0.84; 'ttk': 0.84; 'choice.': 0.93 To: Christian Gollwitzer cc: python-list@python.org, lac@openend.se From: Laura Creighton Subject: Re: Camelot a good tool for me OT beauty of Tk In-Reply-To: Message from Christian Gollwitzer of "Fri, 22 May 2015 21:52:27 +0200." References: <87zj4xoxfd.fsf@Equus.decebal.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <10609.1432325602.1@fido> Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 22:13:22 +0200 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.9 (theraft.openend.se [89.233.217.130]); Fri, 22 May 2015 22:13:29 +0200 (CEST) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1432325616 news.xs4all.nl 2928 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:51696 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:91071 In a message of Fri, 22 May 2015 21:52:27 +0200, Christian Gollwitzer writes: >Am 22.05.15 um 15:03 schrieb Laura Creighton: >> I don't know anything about Camelot. Tkinter produces widgets that are >> in no way as pretty graphically as is expected nowadays -- or indeed for >> at least 15 years. If this matters to you -- or if you are building for >> customers if it matters to them, then Tkinter is not a good choice. > >Tkinter doesn't need to be ugly. At least if you are on Windows or OSX, >you can make near-native looking programs, if you stick to the simple >rule to use ttk everywhere and never try to override background colors >etc. Another important rule is that icons play an important role. A >decent icon set makes a big difference. I didn't know that. Thank you. >Would you spot that it is not a "native" Windows app? It's raw Tcl/Tk >rather than Tkinter, but there is no specific reason why it couldn't be >done in Python/Tkinter. On Linux, yes, the default themes are quite >ugly. There are some workarounds, like loading the bitmap plastik theme, >but this is substantially more (configuration) work. And, of course, I live in the linux world. I didn't know about the bitmap plastik theme, either, thank you again. > > Christian Laura