Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!newsfeed.kamp.net!newsfeed.kamp.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'initialize': 0.05; '21,': 0.07; 'function,': 0.07; 'see:': 0.07; 'constants.': 0.09; 'imported': 0.09; 'script,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; 'thread': 0.11; 'sat,': 0.15; 'exceptions.': 0.16; "module's": 0.16; 'statement.': 0.16; 'subject:import': 0.16; 'suggestion.': 0.16; 'threading': 0.16; 'threads': 0.16; 'top-level': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'pointed': 0.17; 'module': 0.19; 'issue.': 0.20; 'pending': 0.20; 'import': 0.21; 'subject:problem': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; '(you': 0.23; 'bruce': 0.23; "haven't": 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'script': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'am,': 0.27; 'module.': 0.27; 'description,': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'function': 0.30; 'figure': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'url:python': 0.32; 'docs': 0.33; 'thanks': 0.34; 'clear': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'url:library': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'possible': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'things': 0.38; 'nothing': 0.38; 'url:docs': 0.38; 'received:192': 0.39; 'little': 0.39; 'received:192.168': 0.40; 'end': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'side': 0.61; 'more': 0.63; 'making': 0.64; 'harder': 0.65; 'jul': 0.65; 'header:Reply-To:1': 0.68; 'received:74.208': 0.71; 'reply-to:no real name:2**0': 0.72; 'special': 0.73; 'thing,': 0.84; 'angel': 0.93 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:53:29 -0400 From: Dave Angel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Sherwood Subject: Re: A thread import problem References: <87a9yt7bw6.fsf@handshake.de> <500AD83B.1090403@davea.name> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:2VEVpRxJ4a/LDpc/9dRSt8TSUqO70Y6UVSDHiuPaXq3 s9NxOK6bj4FjuNNHjaRFL3MriD97GpmdlMwTqVYgNz6SdF74O/ xiF64QMzl8/4IkebNKlzBFdqG1w7CzP6A6ZHBWTm1ORa7RCF+d 24oBBZVg54hGl4LvNRSJ+rEVbpINW7KUHmv/3Snhvqqh7bueFW JdXNxA08xN1V4+G1xxfY5gGlzepHrOCsXbwhRF/oyWgEuDhj+o 41Fm7EqbSsbG3vfCsqmyYVGWcZGQfHWwjy2CLTvxP1vO8i53K+ bI1TQ+RRYvXzBBvvVUMLqkWZthZRzq6pRjOaqhjraRmW5puTA= = Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: d@davea.name List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1342904033 news.xs4all.nl 6870 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48501 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:25767 On 07/21/2012 04:36 PM, Bruce Sherwood wrote: > Thanks much for this clear statement. I hadn't managed to find any > documentation on this specific issue. > > Bruce Sherwood > > On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Dave Angel wrote: >> Two of the things you mustn't do during an import: >> >> 1) start or end any threads >> 2) import something that's already in the chain of pending imports. >> (otherwise known as recursive imports, or import loop). And there's a >> special whammy reserved for those who import the script as though it >> were a module. >> >> Like any rule, there are possible exceptions. But you're much better >> off factoring your code better. >> >> I haven't managed to understand your software description, so i'm not >> making a specific suggestion. But I know others have pointed out that >> you should do as little as possible in top-level code of an imported >> module. Make the work happen in a function, and call that function from >> the original script, not from inside some import. An imported module's >> top-level code should do nothing more complex than initialize module >> constants. >> >> >> -- >> >> DaveA >> >> (You top-posted, which makes it harder to figure out who said what.) For docs on the threading thing, see: http://docs.python.org/library/threading.html " ... an import should not have the side effect of spawning a new thread and then waiting for that thread in any way..." -- DaveA