Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'open-source': 0.04; 'third-party': 0.04; 'yet.': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'tkinter': 0.07; 'observation': 0.09; 'toolkit': 0.09; 'subject:How': 0.10; 'python': 0.11; 'gui': 0.12; 'windows': 0.15; 'given,': 0.16; 'guess.': 0.16; 'people?': 0.16; 'replaced.': 0.16; 'tkinter.': 0.16; 'wxpython': 0.16; 'proprietary': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'else,': 0.19; "python's": 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; 'written': 0.21; 'seems': 0.21; 'example': 0.22; 'programming': 0.22; 'install': 0.23; "aren't": 0.24; 'choices': 0.24; 'cutting- edge': 0.24; 'library,': 0.24; 'source': 0.25; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'world,': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'external': 0.29; 'received:209.85.217': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'bad.': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'yourself.': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'quite': 0.32; 'open': 0.33; 'framework': 0.33; 'to:name:python-list': 0.33; 'knowledge': 0.35; "can't": 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'good.': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'controls': 0.36; 'doubt': 0.36; 'idle': 0.36; 'library.': 0.36; 'reflect': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'example,': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'issue': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'new': 0.61; 'discuss': 0.62; 'kind': 0.63; 'such': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; '30,': 0.65; 'sample': 0.67; 'bothered': 0.68; 'lack': 0.78; 'rubbish': 0.84; 'good,': 0.91; 'reasons,': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=ZL4w1YIXkTONDYtRVb1qhGdNrZ0pQ89DpFQ0BcZ6/Wo=; b=EpXOfPKSwx3Zztdl0O88iwOFOi4VV2ms+lLQ3h3oVfFVB6LLKFWqjSv0gb0KDm2y6M f9fm+bWk4666h/KOYxZQu9bRRw+7EqWmotM/gcnCq6Jon38+SaTIQ8Byshr04M/Ccv1D XYnRIbevUWWjHzuI4uw4FZp/HiDrPIDX1eTvX1fTr7Md8NOBoaWD2jfiFjdT1RVCnoOZ Y+L1zMgFflOTDI5HsICXlkqR9o3eC6qFyKTPRKfb2rVG7Slt1vsauDufBIrqdy36H4Q0 g30xSa5j0IbWZMLmmekG8AMP8Qpxm0nneOazW8P4g31GbIlnFonCmQDyetJSEvXK9bxq xBmw== X-Received: by 10.112.180.232 with SMTP id dr8mr3263098lbc.67.1369904074931; Thu, 30 May 2013 01:54:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <51a6ef42$0$11118$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> References: <51a6ef42$0$11118$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> From: Ma Xiaojun Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 16:54:14 +0800 Subject: Re: How clean/elegant is Python's syntax? To: python-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1369904083 news.xs4all.nl 15904 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46927 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:46444 On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Which people? "People" can discuss any rubbish they like. For many > reasons, tkinter will not be replaced. For the standard library, it is a > good, stable, powerful but not cutting-edge GUI library. If you don't > like it, you can install a third-party framework like wxPython. Using > tkinter is not compulsory. I'm new to tkinter and find tkdocs.com seems quite good. But tkdocs.com's Python code sample is in Python 3. And wxPython doesn't support Python 3 yet. ( May not be big issue but it's kind of bad. ) I observation about tkinter is that it seems lack of sophisticated features. For example, there is nothing like DataWindow in PowerBuilder? Python's IDLE is written in tkinter. But anyone willing to use IDLE is a successful example of tkinter? I actually use Gedit more than PyDev, etc. But the non-fancy state of IDLE does reflect something, I guess. > In the case of VB and VFP, they aren't bothered by such issues because > they're used to closed-source, proprietary programming where you use what > you are given and like it. In the open-source world, if you don't like > what you are given, you find something else, and if you can't find it, > you make it yourself. I doesn't mean that choices are bad. I just kind of doubt that whether Python with a open source GUI toolkit can cover the features provided by VB standard controls and some external Windows built-in controls. I'm almost sure that tkinter lacks the features provided by sophisticated controls. I have limited knowledge to VFP.