Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.023 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; 'governments': 0.09; 'prohibits': 0.09; 'subject:language': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python- list': 0.10; "wouldn't": 0.11; 'subject:python': 0.11; 'exercise': 0.13; '"congress': 0.16; 'amendment': 0.16; 'discussion.': 0.16; 'oct': 0.16; 'prohibiting': 0.16; 'received:209.85.216.53': 0.16; 'respecting': 0.16; 'wei': 0.16; 'wed,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'thu,': 0.17; '>>>': 0.18; 'permission': 0.20; 'do.': 0.21; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; "i've": 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'common': 0.26; 'am,': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'regular': 0.27; 'subject:list': 0.28; 'chris': 0.28; 'religion,': 0.29; 'maybe': 0.29; 'that.': 0.30; 'law.': 0.30; 'certain': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'list': 0.35; 'whatever': 0.35; 'apply.': 0.35; 'law,': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; "wasn't": 0.36; 'anything': 0.36; 'possible': 0.37; 'does': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'received:209.85.216': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'behind': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'instead': 0.39; 'subject:-': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'end': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'stand': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'free': 0.61; 'times': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'privacy': 0.65; 'forward': 0.66; 'email,': 0.66; 'civil': 0.66; 'stated': 0.69; 'press': 0.71; 'constitution': 0.84; 'fucking': 0.84; 'law*': 0.84; 'speech,': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=9nlUYc8p7Ci8ssTILrWpbBHYs810dkScqYyio5cukGw=; b=r31nMsDWi9Jyp2CSJlV+NeAyTIS62uT8PPxkgb0HmMp4cqf0dPa69pxyuHgYe1DrkJ CZ9wR2rz5XlKQHFPk3iGeFQjtgtzW3QDM58xJXdKE0NFRaFEIYBy0uZMo+/PcvDSNd+N 2DJyjZsvB939i3uOYyeAHiL+If3tiFYU/U61g6d/M8F+iqUgnNmRp6WX8aykSkgbuhya F3VsmM/5qJPxiB/01pp0M+BDvX3KVvRBIAVN6fuIl3CnrWDbkbBeoX1M+dC0iWTkqEfT A6EyZ1rT61dBZ3bSpT7boJWteBo0Xw8cBamzqg+Bfv9cDwewNdDGzb/+lR6/A+yVbgDZ M1iQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <85099bc2-fa24-4cc5-bd94-3015b9af694f@googlegroups.com> <507d900e$0$6599$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5a713407-d82f-4067-8ffa-6b8b66c1edf1@googlegroups.com> <507e1baf$0$6599$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <35b41895-45d9-4f2e-9285-2bb0c36fb2a6@googlegroups.com> <507f3c6c$0$6599$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <77361fb4-a59a-45b0-85e2-95472aec3716@n7g2000pbj.googlegroups.com> <8b0ebc42-52f2-442d-aa92-12eff32b9d0e@v9g2000pbi.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 00:33:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Aggressive language on python-list From: Dwight Hutto To: Chris Angelico Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1350534834 news.xs4all.nl 6878 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:54742 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:31582 On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:23 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Dwight Hutto wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:50 PM, wu wei wrote: >>> Did you really forward a private email to a public mailing list without >>> permission? >>> >>> Are you really that fucking ignorant of the law? >> >> This is a public discussion. Maybe you just need to stand behind a >> loophole in the law, but the first amendment overrides that. > > Common misconception. The First Amendment to the United States > Constitution prohibits the *making of any law* that restricts certain > freedoms. It does not have ANYTHING to do with "I have first amendment > rights to say whatever I like". Your constitutional opinion, but not everyone's. And I quote: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or -->abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press<--; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." It is restrictions on Congress and the > state governments in the US of A. > > Even if python-list were purely US-based, it still wouldn't apply. > > Deliberately forwarding a private email without permission is a breach > of courtesy, more than of the law. How many emails end in hit 'reply all'? It may be possible to make a civil > case of the breach of privacy in some jurisdictions, but mainly it's > just a gross discourtesy. It wasn't stated that that was their intent. I though it was the regular hit 'reply', instead of hit 'reply all' (Assuming, that is, that the email wasn't > actually intended to be public. I've at times responded on-list to a > private email, but with a tag at the top explaining that.) > That I failed to do. To say please hit 'reply all' -- Best Regards, David Hutto CEO: http://www.hitwebdevelopment.com