Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-1.proxad.net!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.039 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.92; '*S*': 0.00; 'argument': 0.05; 'modify': 0.07; "(i'd": 0.09; 'promising': 0.09; 'def': 0.12; 'wrote': 0.14; 'gotcha.': 0.16; 'skip:n 50': 0.16; 'thereby': 0.16; 'appropriate': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'code,': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'tend': 0.24; 'looks': 0.24; 'define': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'fri,': 0.33; 'but': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'wrong': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'list.': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; "you're": 0.61; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'frank': 0.68; 'nobody': 0.68; 'received:74.208': 0.68; 'default': 0.69; 'subject:this': 0.83; '2015': 0.84; 'acceptable)': 0.84; 'trick,': 0.84 Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 08:04:34 -0400 From: Dave Angel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Is this unpythonic? References: <554c8b0a$0$12992$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:/+gC4kCQz1pPegbxsNWJS1XfmKqYmXQiDzvR1NgFAdqJAXcsXFp qNzmcC1C2y0nx81i/qDQzQ3jPiuU7ohMyM6fB8dxfbXPkaiWgY8XtaAdB63mv2OhKZ254eO hdLcWRNir9vdav56+LtJiskVtEac7mWFqGmam1940SueqBB9esgM57XGwWtSUJBnItTGds9 XlTp4XzwXH3wEx8hFdhFg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1431086688 news.xs4all.nl 2830 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:45584 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:90152 On 05/08/2015 06:53 AM, Frank Millman wrote: > > "Steven D'Aprano" wrote in message > news:554c8b0a$0$12992$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com... >> On Fri, 8 May 2015 06:01 pm, Frank Millman wrote: >> >>> Hi all >>> > [...] >>> >>> However, every time I look at my own code, and I see "def x(y, z=[]): >>> ....." it looks wrong because I have been conditioned to think of it as >>> a gotcha. >> It might be appropriate to define the list at top-level, as EMPTY_LIST=[] and in your default argument as def x(y, z=EMPTY_LIST): and with the all-caps, you're thereby promising that nobody will modify that list. (I'd tend to do the None trick, but I think this alternative would be acceptable) -- DaveA