Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!eweka.nl!lightspeed.eweka.nl!194.134.4.91.MISMATCH!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.081 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.84; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'python,': 0.02; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'list?': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'abstraction': 0.09; 'coders': 0.09; 'confuse': 0.09; 'oh,': 0.09; ';-)': 0.11; 'gui': 0.11; 'steve': 0.13; 'bucket': 0.16; 'fits': 0.16; 'isbn': 0.16; 'leakage': 0.16; 'manageable': 0.16; 'soap,': 0.16; 'url:shtml': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'working.': 0.17; 'examples': 0.18; 'fairly': 0.21; '(on': 0.22; 'either.': 0.22; 'cheers,': 0.23; 'programming': 0.23; "haven't": 0.23; "i've": 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'language.': 0.27; 'question': 0.27; 'core': 0.27; 'rest': 0.28; 'sensible': 0.29; 'though.': 0.29; 'covered': 0.29; 'starts': 0.29; '"the': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'books': 0.30; 'url:non-standard http port': 0.30; 'getting': 0.33; 'defense': 0.33; 'doubt': 0.33; 'up!': 0.33; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.33; 'knowledge': 0.33; 'version': 0.34; "can't": 0.34; 'needed': 0.35; 'doing': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'useful': 0.36; 'anything': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'enough': 0.36; 'one,': 0.37; 'level': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'things': 0.38; 'gives': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'where': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'help': 0.40; 'bottom': 0.60; 'range': 0.60; 'most': 0.61; 'real': 0.61; 'charset:windows-1256': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'side': 0.61; 'header :Message-Id:1': 0.62; 'respect': 0.63; 'url:%20': 0.63; 'ever': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'here': 0.65; 'our': 0.65; 'harder': 0.65; 'saturday': 0.65; 'finally': 0.66; 'home': 0.66; 'enjoy': 0.67; 'url:%1': 0.68; 'hoping': 0.72; 'received:204': 0.72; 'square': 0.75; 'age': 0.83; '2013': 0.84; 'battle,': 0.84; 'exercise.': 0.84; 'hobbies': 0.84; 'kindle': 0.84; 'received:66.118': 0.84; 'simmons': 0.84; 'squire': 0.84; 'subject)': 0.84; '(mark': 0.91; 'chapters': 0.93; 'choice.': 0.93; 'nigeria': 0.93; 'taught': 0.97 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 X-Spam-Level: From: Gene Heskett To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Python Newbie Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 17:49:45 -0500 References: <201302231232.28824.gheskett@wdtv.com> <51290628.2040805@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <51290628.2040805@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 51 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1361659793 news.xs4all.nl 6903 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:35041 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:39717 On Saturday 23 February 2013 17:44:21 Steve Simmons did opine: > On 23/02/2013 18:32, Gene Heskett wrote: > > I am here because I was hoping some knowledge leakage would help me to > > understand python, but at my age I am beginning to have to admit the > > level of abstraction is something I may never fully grok. If I ever > > find a python book that literally starts at square one, it _will_ come > > home with me though. But I have too many hobbies too, I have a BP > > rifle that needs a trip to the range this afternoon for some exercise. > > > > :) Cheers, Gene > > I'm using Rapid GUI Programming with Python & Qt (Mark Summerfield ISBN > 978-0-13-235418-9) - it fits for me because I needed something that > covered GUI development but also had an intro to the language. The > first 3 chapters are a Python intro at a sensible level for experienced > coders (none of this 'here is the keyboard, there is the screen' > nonsense) so it is enough to get you going with Python. The rest is > about Qt/PyQt, taught via manageable examples and giving a fairly well > thought out dialogue (monologue?) of what each line/function does. It > was useful enough for me to want to carry the hardback version with me > on my 'commute' from the UK to Nigeria where I am currently working. > I've also got two books by Wesley Chun, (Core Python Programming & Core > Python Applications Programming) on my Kindle . I can't give you a > sensible verdict on those two because, while I've finally settled to > reading fiction on the Kindle, I still like to have a real book when it > comes to reference works (on any subject) so they haven't had the usage > that Summerfield has. > > Oh, and you're never too old for anything but most things take longer - > gives you more time to enjoy them ;-) Humm, but what if you are worrying about having enough time just to finish a bucket list? However, there so much in my bucket, I doubt if I'll ever see the bottom of it. And of course, looking at it from my side of these trifocals, the real question is should I put a smiley, or a frowny after it, so I'll not confuse the issue by doing either. Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: is up! My views Our missions are peaceful -- not for conquest. When we do battle, it is only because we have no choice. -- Kirk, "The Squire of Gothos", stardate 2124.5 I was taught to respect my elders, but its getting harder and harder to find any...