Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder5.xlned.com!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'argument': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'context': 0.07; 'plenty': 0.07; 'tkinter': 0.07; 'arguments': 0.09; 'oop': 0.09; 'subject:How': 0.10; 'python': 0.11; 'books': 0.15; '(amazon': 0.16; '(published': 0.16; 'cli': 0.16; 'later)': 0.16; 'libraries.': 0.16; 'programmers.': 0.16; 'wxpython': 0.16; 'bit': 0.19; 'seems': 0.21; 'issue.': 0.22; 'replace': 0.24; "haven't": 0.24; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'context.': 0.31; 'option': 0.32; 'not.': 0.33; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'useful': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'legally': 0.39; 'visual': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'new': 0.61; 'such': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'advantages': 0.68; 'bothered': 0.68; 'superior': 0.69; 'visiting': 0.79; 'procedural': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=2O3qzkbALt3RekAceZgfewQLqTcfqlB0O9BntTU60VE=; b=NFV+eUYAgGBXOUjwF0d0n+B/f3XDTXaNIb2MlD5Hxmo5vXeMdO6JNyy003sQ6Gfn0M RkdVruNmWpkytZ0skQzQ061MNTz1wplN/y1q7ca2ZtQSNBW6IepW0szpnZkjkIw+Lgg+ ELCASQZeEvhIKXaGM55ugbTW1ct0mxEGYUJQFoslVrc3/eV+1qAYOcmDuNpINcRC5eGq 75jhZPh35+qkGQ6qvoYHWUAkax4Of5nT3f+Qae3YnzsN2b2JJnzpH2Ft2C6xNbW3+mlW DGBZnsI009k1CH3Mj/TWnm8mRPkN4rFlsSmYpzL8l3ybwGhkGmfhYJyKGub6ee4N33na qrtg== X-Received: by 10.112.142.73 with SMTP id ru9mr1931634lbb.22.1369852675922; Wed, 29 May 2013 11:37:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Ma Xiaojun Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 02:37:35 +0800 Subject: Re: How clean/elegant is Python's syntax? To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1369852683 news.xs4all.nl 15962 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:57709 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:46405 A bit more context. If visiting z.cn (Amazon China), one can see that there are plenty of new (published in 2010 or later) books on QBASIC, Visual Basic, Visual Foxpro. This is weird, if one want to do development legally these tools won't be a option for new programmers. However, I also like to know whether there are any technical arguments that Python is superior in the context of education. For pure procedural paradigm, I haven't seen much advantages of Python. Yes, Python has true OOP but I don't like this argument since I don't like Java-ism true OOP. Yes, Python has much more libraries. But it seems that Python is more useful and suitable in CLI and Web applications. People are still discussing whether to replace tkinter with wxPython or not. VB and VFP people are never bothered with such issue.