Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder7.xlned.com!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.098 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.80; '*S*': 0.00; 'revision': 0.05; 'versions,': 0.05; '(especially': 0.07; 'space.': 0.07; 'oh,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; 'static': 0.13; 'do,': 0.15; '(do': 0.16; '*other*': 0.16; '404': 0.16; 'compress': 0.16; 'default).': 0.16; 'enough?': 0.16; 'implemented,': 0.16; 'least,': 0.16; 'mean,': 0.16; 'oct': 0.16; 'personally,': 0.16; 'reason.': 0.16; 'rough': 0.16; 'strength': 0.16; 'stuff,': 0.16; 'variations': 0.16; 'wed,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'error.': 0.21; 'received:209.85.216.46': 0.21; 'subject:Questions': 0.22; 'work,': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'example': 0.23; 'apps': 0.23; 'to:2**1': 0.23; "i've": 0.23; 'idea': 0.24; 'second': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'am,': 0.27; 'pages,': 0.27; 'possibly': 0.27; 'question': 0.27; 'have,': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.28; 'rest': 0.28; 'hosting': 0.28; 'attempting': 0.29; 'giant': 0.29; 'peer': 0.29; 'piece': 0.29; 'no,': 0.29; 'probably': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'maybe': 0.29; 'worked': 0.30; 'relative': 0.30; 'on,': 0.30; '(and': 0.32; 'asking': 0.32; 'file': 0.32; 'goes': 0.33; 'loading': 0.33; 'text,': 0.33; 'another': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'done': 0.34; 'so,': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'next': 0.35; 'add': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'others.': 0.36; 'programmers': 0.36; 'smaller': 0.36; 'client': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'turn': 0.36; 'bad': 0.37; 'does': 0.37; 'level': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'ones': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'received:209.85.216': 0.37; 'data': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'files': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'things': 0.38; 'possible.': 0.38; 'sure': 0.38; 'page': 0.38; 'several': 0.39; 'advice': 0.39; 'notice': 0.39; 'little': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'end': 0.40; 'think': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'easy': 0.60; 'eye': 0.61; 'more.': 0.62; 'back': 0.62; 'is.': 0.62; 'pays': 0.62; 'provide': 0.62; 'worth': 0.63; 'ever': 0.63; 'services.': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'show': 0.63; 'within': 0.64; 'here': 0.65; 'reasons,': 0.65; 'sound': 0.65; 'medical': 0.66; 'market': 0.66; 'home': 0.66; 'websites': 0.66; 'phone': 0.68; 'color': 0.69; 'business': 0.70; 'internet': 0.71; 'sounds': 0.71; 'commercial': 0.73; 'money': 0.74; 'amateur': 0.84; 'choices.': 0.84; 'devices,': 0.84; 'matters.': 0.84; 'principles.': 0.84; 'reminds': 0.84; 'worry,': 0.84; 'constitute': 0.91; 'demographic': 0.91; 'source?': 0.91; 'afford': 0.93; 'banner': 0.96; 'imagine': 0.96; 'bandwidth': 0.97; 'seo': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QaXmD/C1dO/FP4c5fRIn6K6Vp5/3iocIy1/XZgJxvFE=; b=KqrL13LyKxuREO1L4YcBEwZmqaPNJ9AXR6OtOrumfk5/aZX2qR/ggClzvToGIpybWc nl/oQ99PRBHQza8icBECwcQdiinbih+kKpSzjwvzcJNSQORiOk4lzHH2zdhsGFR0Bu46 384Ryy65JbN8CBTUjXtmkm9n1jcU+UwWHayfQsw+h3rWRPdDletCp/cg5qlhPY65AtjQ StGFsh30lDiHdRT189HoeFJR560BLoq6QmliLWjI/YnTniGIMibWM/06gBh6DriHz5D3 WPGNyCKXFcQF8RzM2Vj1S5AZiVkLTGmXfcg0B4v965enhNuD6IsPz5HWcfBbBxTfYjk8 49aw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5B80DD153D7D744689F57F4FB69AF4741671AD00@SCACMX008.exchad.jpmchase.net> References: <507D7540.9010303@gmail.com> <94BCE27A-C403-4339-B0A6-DFCCAF859BDD@gmail.com> <9A6903B3-2C27-401B-937A-E2D49A2ADA99@gmail.com> <5B80DD153D7D744689F57F4FB69AF4741671AD00@SCACMX008.exchad.jpmchase.net> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 18:29:31 -0400 Subject: Re: OT Questions From: Dwight Hutto To: "Prasad, Ramit" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "python-list@python.org" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 110 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1350512975 news.xs4all.nl 6917 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:36598 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:31543 On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Prasad, Ramit wrote: > David Hutto wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Demian Brecht = wrote: >> > * Your strength is not design. Using bevel and emboss (and a pattern h= ere and there) does not constitute good >> design. >> >> It's simplicity within a symbolism, and now that I need money for >> medical reasons, the work I've done isn't perfect, but it's on par. >> >> I know when I see something aesthetically pleasing, and if I like what >> I have, I'm using the same mindset. >> >> If you're showcasing logo work, I hope you're ready to supply >> variations that can be used cross-medium. Well, all of these are my domain names, and works in progress/revision. The client would get several versions, and know what they want me to do, I just have to be able to do it for them, and add in a little extra to show my worth to them. >> >> These are all portfolio sites of my own, and I'm slowly revising them, >> just like any other rough draft, and as you can tell I'm asking other >> people to critique it. >> > > Aesthetics and web design are relative to the eye of the beholder. It's a statistic. I see things that lots of others like, so when I design, I say tomyself do I like that enough? But it's always in revision for perfection of the piece being worked on, just like apps have revisions, so do logos and artwork. > The question is whose opinion matters. Yours? Mine? Others? Personally, > I heartily second the recommendation to get professional advice on site > design. Your site reminds me of something I would create in the '90s > with FrontPage (do people even use that anymore?) as an amateur or > hobbyist; not something I would create as a professional attempting > to market my services. > I'm moving toward the smaller devices, but I'm a desktop guy, and so are a lot of others. And what site doesn't have a frontpage? > Now I do not say this in order to be mean, but to provide constructive > criticism. Not because I do not like the site; but because I think > *other* people will not like the site layout and ultimately my opinion > does not matter; it matters what your prospective clients think. That goes back to stats. You might not be the demographic I attract, but others will like it...hopefully That > is unless you can afford to turn away business by sticking to your > design principles. No, the client is the main opinionator. If they like some of my stuff, and have an idea they need implemented, I just showcae I can do it. > > Several top level links did not work and that is a bad sign for a > portfolio. At the very least, take a few minutes to setup a blank page I thought there were blank pages, and within the next week or so, there will be more. I'm looking toward other programmers for peer review to refine my main site. > so the visitor does not get a 404 error. The background of your logo > page should match the color scheme of the rest of the website. Oh, > and your logo for your main page is incomprehensible to me. I am not > sure if it is a artistic design or some text, but it is too hard to make > out. > > It is hard to say much more since the site is so bare. I will reiterate > what others have said regarding background sounds (especially ones that > start by default). If you take a look at some famous websites and you wil= l > notice that they rarely have sound and for good reason. > It's more of a commercial to me. In the end it doesn't show the webcrawlers for SEO my text, and it's a rough draft. It'll eventually be just a banner ad, and there will be a more static design. > Another thing to note is wasted space. Network bandwidth is a commodity. > You pay for it and your visitor pays for it. You pay for it in terms of > hosting or internet service while the visitor pays for it in internet > service and possibly even in their data cap. I cannot imagine loading > your website from a phone (nor would I ever try to). > > You want to be as efficient as possible. Have you ever taken a look at Go= ogle's home page source? Now they are an extreme example of keeping a site = lean, but maybe that will give you an idea of how important it is. An overl= y giant GIF and sound files are poor choices. It should be easy to compress= the GIF to a *much* smaller file size while keeping the animation. You can= probably use a midi file for the same effect with regards to sounds I'm working on the reduction right now, and that's the reason for asking for reviews. . > > I hope that helps, Don't worry, it does. --=20 Best Regards, David Hutto CEO: http://www.hitwebdevelopment.com