Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.061 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.88; '*S*': 0.01; 'subject:Python': 0.06; "wouldn't": 0.14; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'parentheses': 0.16; 'subject:user': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'code.': 0.18; 'fixed.': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; '>>>>': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'something': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'subject:New': 0.37; 'nov': 0.38; 'needed': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'skip:. 10': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'space': 0.40; 'subject: / ': 0.60; 'unusual': 0.74; 'mistake': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=D5aN4vA/CPhszCWQFwLKbF+opVLZtCxo2Nz1lQSW04M=; b=bYHnCdf3ZBUDBsYOWW1JO7bdE24KlMztOtb1rTEqpAiwerQttDiLp/+uWVTzFSgx+p OYWyolA8aP7dLMZGFrh01EgQdGsDzZ+m96qmKHV6gjccaIIDrRrk6RESoFBpGeOijE+S JVUctVWqROteVbPl6eIjSzMJCcT/0xNAiXq35kdKTadJVfRzgK1alTXHGLiz657fwZdW jKAyrq6QzVh+NaMCWtQmyrOrii+m7hYOPyeCb8kZrE5TAFTjnX0oJNfnd5rdjjWkm+Nj pUtOQ9kdLxttoF7vlunS163C+Jcy0KzUE/bGa3mQBkFiD8rNh/kmVPk7zBFf+9MR0v70 PWHQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.152.102 with SMTP id ux6mr27454878pab.79.1384126196120; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 15:29:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <-JadnUirYuhUruPPnZ2dnUVZ8rSdnZ2d@bt.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:29:56 +1100 Subject: Re: New user's initial thoughts / criticisms of Python From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1384126199 news.xs4all.nl 15893 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:54210 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:59031 On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:12 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: >>>> -123 .bit_length() > -7 > > No parens needed if a space precedes the . Heh! I would call that an inferior alternative to the parentheses though; it's so unusual to put a space before the dot that I wouldn't consider it something to do in normal code. Anyone coming through and editing would see it as a mistake to be fixed. ChrisA